[EmoTrash]

To Pastor Ezekiel.

I think that "Who will Jesus damn?" is the wrong question to ask "Pastor". The bible tells us that Jesus died for our sins. He is not going to damn anyone. His job is to save us. God and Jesus love everyone on earth, (including people like you, and your so called "Unsaved Trash".) Also saying that this is Gods "Favorite Church / Forum" is wrong. God does not have a favorite church. Also saying "Unsaved Unwelcome" is in violation of the scripture. Im putting scripture references below.


Romans 12:16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.


Romans 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.


Acts 10:34-36 Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right. This is the message of Good News for the people of Israel—that there is peace with God through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.


James 2:1 My brothers and sisters, believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ must not show favoritism.


1 Peter 3:18:
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:


2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by EmoTrash

God and Jesus love everyone on earth

You must be the biggest idiot ever created by God.

Let's see what the Holy Bible ACTUALLY says about this instead of the baseless LIES you are spreading here for Satan.

• We have to follow 100% of God's laws or burn in Hell. (James 2:10)
• We have to use the entire, unaltered Bible. (Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18-19, Psalm 12:6-7, 2 Peter 1:20)
• Those who don't believe, go to Hell. No exceptions. No mercy. (Mark 16:16, Revelation 21:8, John 15:6, John 14:6)
• Being lesbian or gay is not allowed. (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27)
• This one is specifically for you: masturbation is not allowed. (Genesis 38:9-10, Matthew 5:28, 1st Corinthians 6:18-19, 1st Corinthians 7:2)
• Cursing is not allowed. (Exodus 20:7, Psalms 10:7, Psalms 59:12, Romans 3:13-18, 1 Peter 1:15)
• Saying bad things about the Holy Ghost is not allowed and will never be forgiven. (Matthew 12:32, Mark 3:29)
• Being lazy is not allowed. (Romans 12:11, Proverbs 26:15, Proverbs 12:24)
• You deserve every horrible thing that happens to you (Job 34:11, Isaiah 3:11)
• Sickness is a punishment for sinning (Genesis 12:17, Exodus 15:26, Deuteronomy 7:12-16).
• Almost everyone will go to Hell. (Matthew 7:13-14)
• We are allowed to judge. (Leviticus 19:15, John 7:24, 2nd Timothy 4:1-2, Psalm 37:30, Proverbs 31:9, 1 Corinthians 2:15)
• Your child raped and tortured to death in front of you? God expects you to bear it with grace! (1 Corinthians 10:13)
• God hates sinners. (Proverbs 6:16-19, Hosea 9:15, Matthew 13:41-42, Deuteronomy 12:31)
• It's better to cut off our body parts than to sin. (Matthew 5:29-30, Mark 9:43-48)
• Jesus is not all about peace. (Matthew 10:34-37, Luke 14:26)
• God knows and sees everything. (Proverbs 15:3, Acts 1:24)

I could go on and on about this but we both know you REFUSE to actually READ God's Holy Bible and we both know you will burn in Hell for all eternity because of this.

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by EmoTrash

God and Jesus love everyone on earth, (including people like you, and your so called "Unsaved Trash".)

According to the Bible, They hate most people.

Leviticus 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Leviticus 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Deuteronomy 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalm 10:3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalm 53:5 There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.

Psalm 73:20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Psalm 78:59 When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:

Psalm 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 22:14 The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein.

Lamentations 2:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

Zechariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Revelation 2:6; 15 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

Also saying "Unsaved Unwelcome" is in violation of the scripture.

It is thoroughly Biblical.

2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2 Jn 1:9-11
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

He is not going to damn anyone. His job is to save us.

His job is to save His elect. You're ignoring the fact that God has predestined many to go to hell.

Prov 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Rom 9:10-24
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by EmoTrash

...The bible tells us that Jesus died for our sins...

Bzzzt. It says He died to atone for the sins of people who believe that He is God. You want to claim to be in that group? Prove it. Live as the Bible commands you to. Of course, that would entail actually reading the thing. You should, anyways.

...He is not going to damn anyone...

John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

...God does not have a favorite church...

Oh? When did He tell you that?

...Also saying "Unsaved Unwelcome" is in violation of the scripture...

No, it just appears that way to you because you don't read-a the English too good (and, I expect, a lot of people have been lying to you about what the Bible really says).

...Im putting scripture references below...

No KJV, no proof. Local field rules, they are.

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Originally Posted by EmoTrash

He is not going to damn anyone. His job is to save us.

It's not God's "job" to do anything.

Job 41:11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him?

What this verse basically means is "God doesn't owe you anything."

Jesus tells us most people will go to hell.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Before you or I were even born, God wrote two books. One of them is weighty tome with the names of those who will one day be cast into the lake of fire, to burn for all eternity. The second book is slender, perhaps like a novella or a pamphlet in comparison with the other, and it contains the names of those who will one day inherit the New Earth and enjoy eternal bliss. With the eyes of faith I can see my name in the Book of Life, under "S": Swallows, Alan Everly.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. . .
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Which book is your name in? And how do you know?

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Emo Trash
To Pastor Ezekiel.

I think that "Who will Jesus damn?" is the wrong question to ask "Pastor". The bible tells us that Jesus died for our sins. He is not going to damn anyone. His job is to save us. God and Jesus love everyone on earth, (including people like you, and your so called "Unsaved Trash".) Also saying that this is Gods "Favorite Church / Forum" is wrong. God does not have a favorite church. Also saying "Unsaved Unwelcome" is in violation of the scripture. Im putting scripture references below.


Romans 12:16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.


Romans 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.


Acts 10:34-36 Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right. This is the message of Good News for the people of Israel—that there is peace with God through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.


James 2:1 My brothers and sisters, believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ must not show favoritism.


1 Peter 3:18:
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:


2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

For someone who goes on about "context" (even when context is provided) you seem remarkably ignorant of what The Bible records for us. MOST people are damned, very FEW are destined for Salvation. This is a great opportunity for you to find the Scripture reference. I'll assist you with a handy look-up facility. The best place for you to start would be HERE.

[EmoTrash]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

For someone who goes on about "context" (even when context is provided) you seem remarkably ignorant of what The Bible records for us. MOST people are damned, very FEW are destined for Salvation. This is a great opportunity for you to find the Scripture reference. I'll assist you with a handy look-up facility. The best place for you to start would be HERE.

You actually just sent me a verse that disproves your own statement.

John 3:16 - 17:
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Also if you read the bible you would find out that God does not show favoritism.
(Romans 2 10-11)

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by EmoTrash

You actually just sent me a verse that disproves your own statement.

John 3:16 - 17:
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Keep reading... why stop at verse 17?

Ah, I know: because it contains the inconvenient truth:

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

That includes millions and millions of people who never had a fighting chance in life - they died without having the possibility of hearing about Jesus, such as people in the Americas before European arrival, and people in remote areas even in the 20th century, and little babies who die every day before they are able to understand and accept Jesus as their Savior.

Also if you read the bible you would find out that God does not show favoritism.
(Romans 2 10-11)

Sure, but there are some people who He just hates for no apparent reason.

Genesis 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations [are] in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and [the one] people shall be stronger than [the other] people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by EmoTrash

Also if you read the bible you would find out that God does not show favoritism.
(Romans 2 10-11)

A text without a context is a pretext.

Romans 2:5-11 KJV: 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

There is no respect of persons based on whether you're a Jew or a Gentile, but God will obviously treat someone "that doeth evil" differently from someone "that worketh good."

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by EmoTrash

You actually just sent me a verse that disproves your own statement.

I hope that the response to this and your other inane points shows that you are not following Christianity at all!

You have some foolish idea in your mind that you "know what Jesus meant", and yet, here, within a few posts you have been shown to be utterly wrong.

You have invented your own religion and your own "god" - I bet that "god" is a lot like you and you are telling us about the "god" you have invented and worship - a god who is yourself...

Just think for a moment of what the afterlife will be for you....


Horrible, isn't it?

[Faith_Machine]

Hello EmoTrash, welcome to our friendly forum! I congratulate you for citing specific Bible verses in an attempt to support your position!

You wouldn't believe how many "one-verse Charlies" we get in here, who think they can quote John 3:16 and that will be enough to convince us they know something about the Bible.

Now then, this here is The Introduction Forum, but I feel like I hardly know you. Please tell us all about you and your walk with Jesus!

[MitzaLizalor]

It's good to see Emo here in the intro. forum and encouraging to see the patience shown by Pastor. So far we've covered what start means and that it's important to keep reading to find out what God is saying. The passage from Romans has been explained, not because its meaning is opaque but because it is clear.

Emo has selected a couple of verses which introduce the idea of perishing. Whether it's better to perish or be damned is a moot point perhaps better treated in its own thread because what happens to Christians is just so wonderful. Will heathens be tormented or tortured? is another question I'm really not interested in for the same reason. But torment or damnation, perishment or torture it's what happens to EVERYONE who rejects the perfect Word of God and the Salvation available in Jesus. In Romans 2 this is explained, as follows:

ROMANS 2 . KJV . WHOLE CHAPTER .. context
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law.

It is not a person's status under The Law, or any law, which produces such outcomes. It is the sin. Lawless wretches are condemned because of their spiritual condition, because they are scum. Even a city, presumably having laws of some sort, without Jesus is putrid filth and why would He want the scum up there with Him in Heaven?

EZEKIEL 24 . KJV . now read on .. PREQUEL HERE
3-5 [God speaking] Utter a parable unto the rebellious house, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Set on a pot, set it on, and also pour water into it: Gather the pieces thereof into it, even every good piece, the thigh, and the shoulder; fill it with the choice bones. Take the choice of the flock, and burn also the bones under it, and make it boil well, and let them seethe the bones of it therein.
6 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the bloody city, to the pot whose scum is therein, and whose scum is not gone out of it! bring it out piece by piece; let no lot fall upon it.
7-10 For her blood is in the midst of her; she set it upon the top of a rock; she poured it not upon the ground, to cover it with dust; That it might cause fury to come up to take vengeance; I have set her blood upon the top of a rock, that it should not be covered. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the bloody city! I will even make the pile for fire great. Heap on wood, kindle the fire, consume the flesh, and spice it well, and let the bones be burned.
11 Then set it empty upon the coals thereof, that the brass of it may be hot, and may burn, and that the filthiness of it may be molten in it, that the scum of it may be consumed.
12 She hath wearied herself with lies, and her great scum went not forth out of her: her scum shall be in the fire.
13 In thy filthiness is lewdness: because I have purged thee, and thou wast not purged, thou shalt not be purged from thy filthiness any more, till I have caused my fury to rest upon thee.

Filthiness, l understand that word. It's what happens to your shoe when stepping in something unpleasant or what you'd find in a septic tank. Unsaved persons are like that too.

Lewdness, yes just in case some wordsmith goes off "like, I'm not filthy, nome sane? Sure I lift my skirts like that.." (pimp snaps fingers, looks disappointed and hopeful at the same time rather a difficult expression to master I'd have thought) ..but does it click with God? No. He has covered lewdness as a separate item, just in case.

Scum, the specific example chosen by God to introduce His scum motif shows the veriest depths of depravity. For those days. They rejected God's plan, they thought they had a better plan. Scum central.

But these are the Last Days. Never before has such evil reigned, human imagination bent on new ways to deny God's Perfect Revelation and carve out other cities, cities denying God and passing laws to contradict Scripture. Everyone engaged with such filthy ambition or with the brazen lewdness proffered at bus-stops, in shrubbery and at all-night "entertainment" venues is scum. God is very consistent. You will be thinking of His entreaty to withdraw early while there is still time:

REVELATION 18 . KJV . look up .. CONTEXT .. more context
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

If you check out the context links, provided with my Scripture references, you will see that these are related examples. Scum get the plagues they deserve. God says it. I believe it. That settles it.

Welcome to the forum, I hope we are able to explore Scripture more fully together with Pastor's guidance and show you how God's Plan for Salvation is about to be completed even in our own lifetimes.

[Maria-Rosa]

Originally Posted by EmoTrash

To Pastor Ezekiel.

I think that "Who will Jesus damn?" is the wrong question to ask "Pastor". The bible tells us that Jesus died for our sins. He is not going to damn anyone. His job is to save us. God and Jesus love everyone on earth, (including people like you, and your so called "Unsaved Trash".) Also saying that this is Gods "Favorite Church / Forum" is wrong. God does not have a favorite church. Also saying "Unsaved Unwelcome" is in violation of the scripture. Im putting scripture references below.


Romans 12:16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.


Romans 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.


Acts 10:34-36 Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right. This is the message of Good News for the people of Israel—that there is peace with God through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.


James 2:1 My brothers and sisters, believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ must not show favoritism.


1 Peter 3:18:
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:


2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

As a Catholic, I'm going to have to agree to you on this. But I am sad in doing so, as it appears everyone else that has replied disagrees.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Maria-Rosa

As a Catholic, I'm going to have to agree to you on this. But I am sad in doing so, as it appears everyone else that has replied disagrees.

I'm guessing you did not read the replies, otherwise you would have been smitten with the Word of God and agreed with the respondents.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Maria-Rosa

As a Catholic, I'm going to have to agree to you on this. But I am sad in doing so, as it appears everyone else that has replied disagrees.

Perhaps you could point out where the Scripture quoted is mistaken, if that's what you think?

[DolliMoans]

Originally Posted by Maria-Rosa

As a Catholic, I'm going to have to agree to you on this. But I am sad in doing so, as it appears everyone else that has replied disagrees.

Indeed.

[MitzaLizalor]

It's always disappointing when catholicism changes the meaning of words to suit their theology du jour. Not surprising. Just disappointing. When so many people are killed as happens throughout The Bible to preserve The Truth, God is not preferring one people over the others when He doesn't kill them. They have brought condemnation upon themselves.

JOHN 3 . KJV . look up
19 [Jesus speaking] This is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Such evil is demonstrated very well by the cult of Rome. By reading The Bible their lies are revealed. The lies they foist on unformed minds to reinforce evil and keep them away from any spiritual light. When this odious creed actually made laws devils directed the process so all their laws were really satanic law. The ignorance necessary to keep the suckers under has now been eroded, except obviously in places like Mexico. Now these freaks have to back-pedal just to keep the monster afloat and what a riotous read we get as a result!

I'm not quoting any of it but Just. How. Idiotic. Can. You. Get. Every other sentence is a lie or obfuscation of The Truth from history, from The Bible and from the Mouth of Jesus and even though they worked on it for half the millennium this is the shiniest they could get? It is not my place to comment on bizarre insanity and in this case none is needed because not only can we read, and the method of suppressing literacy shows up quite well in that document incidentally, not only do we have The Bible but we also have archæology and we know that what happened is not what catholicism would have us believe. How do they live in the real world where all this information is available yet still deceive their followers? By lies foisted on unformed minds to reinforce evil keeping them from any Truth forever.

MATTHEW 18 . KJV . look up .. context
2-3 Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

In the linked piece a Mark Bonocore gets mentioned.
To save time for anyone interested here's a couple of links

http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/debate13.htm
Radio discussion with Matt Slick
The Sola Scriptura Dance by Mark Bonocore