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The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
09-10-2007, 07:19 AM
Much has been made of the wild doings of Lot's daughters. Everyone knows the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. When a band of wild queers demanded to rape the angels visiting Lot, he offered his two lovely virgin daughters to the crowd. Which rejected them, because they were homers and wanted only manmeat.
Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
After God destroyed the twin cities of perversion, and saved Lot and his family from destruction (except for Lot's harlot wife) they went and hid in a cave. THEN the story gets wild, according to the Bible.
Genesis 19:30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
So many have condemned these two girls for getting their father drunk and raping him on two successive nights. Yes they committed incest with him, but I would put it to you that Lot's daughters were quite chaste compared to some of you. Yes, YOU vile sinners!!
You wives, do you commit adultery with you husbands? You heard me! Do you approach him in order to conceive sons for Christ (as Lot's girls did!), or do you want to use your husband for sinful, selfish pleasure? Do you pester him for carnal lusts, which has nothing to do with making more baby boys? Examine your conscience, ladies! Even the works of Holy Matrimony should be performed for the Glory of God!
Lot's daughters believed that God had destroyed the entire world (again). Up in that cave, they looked at each other and made a decision to keep the human race going fruitfully! They sinned, yes, but their intentions were purely chaste. I am fairly certain that they derived absolutely no pleasure out of fornicating with their decrepit old father in that dank, wet cave. But what's important is that they conceived SONS for Christ! Just as GOD ORDERED!!
You single unmarried ladies out there: are you proud of yourselves? By refusing to procreate, you are sinning against God Almighty! You are no better than the harlots and fornicators who waste their wombs (forgive my french) by keeping them vacant. God commands that you keep a bun in the oven at all times!
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Those of you who are unmarried and childless, and those of you who commit lustful whoredoms with your Husbands are living in SIN!
Compared to you, Lot's daughters were quite chaste. THEY followed God's commandment to multiply even when it meant committing incest with their old daddy! How many of you would be willing to go that far for Jesus?
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
09-10-2007, 01:01 PM
But Noah's son was the worst!
Matthew:
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled
10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
09-10-2007, 07:40 PM
Genesis 19:30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
And with these words, our god had proclaimed that right to honor thy father with taking his seed, for to procreate sons for the lord.
And yet, today these beliefs are shunned in our "modern" era.
God has commanded that a womens womb should not be barren, but if no suitable man can be found, then it is god's commandment that the father, who the daughter is subjecated to until marrage, shall make arrangments to see that his daughter is following God's law.
I am just thankful to god that I live in a area that has always, and always will, keep gods holy commandment. And if our former Gov Bill Clinton and his heathen laws don't like it, I could care less. For I will always stand for GOD'S LAW over the laws of men like our fr Gov Clinton.
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
09-10-2007, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel
Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
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Brother, I think you missed one of the more interesting aspects of this story. I was going to wait until tomorrow to mention this, but since you got to it a day early.
You see, in verse 8, Lot's 2 daughters have not known man. Let's read a little further.
Genesis 19:14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.
Lot's 2 daughters were married, and yet, they have not known man. Yet still, Lot offered his two MARRIED daughters to the mob, instead of the angels.
Is it possible that Lot lied to the gathered men, when he offered his daughters, and that the crowd knew that his daughter had known men? We see in verse 33 and 35 that they knew what they were doing when they got him drunk.
Perhaps Lot's daughters weren't as chaste as we were led to believe in verse 8.
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
01-08-2012, 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Brother V
...Perhaps Lot's daughters weren't as chaste as we were led to believe in verse 8.
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Can you blame them? from what I understood of this story their husbands lived inside the city while they lived outside, start to wonder what their husbands were upto.
I genuinely enjoyed the story of Lot, in fact I'm actually quite enjoying reading the bible in general to my surprise. I'd just like to thank brother V for making the bible in a year forum. Previous times I have tried to read the bible I've found myself losing interest very quickly but with these 'bitesize chunks' so to speak; I'm actually finding myself eager to continue reading.
A couple of queries, would incest of been such a big taboo at the time? (bearing in mind the limited stock of humans) and are the traditions of how marriage was officiated at the time explained in detail at any point? maybe I misunderstood some scripture but later Isaac seems to take a wife merely by taking her into his mother's tent.
For those who pretend to know the will of God- Romans 1:21-23 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
01-14-2012, 03:26 AM
umm hello, Im an unmarried daughter and I was wondering what should I take away form this passage, I mean like should i be umm putting my womb to use, even if it is with my father (that sounds wrong and disgusting), please help pastor!
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
01-14-2012, 06:49 AM
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umm hello, Im an unmarried daughter and I was wondering what should I take away form this passage, I mean like should i be umm putting my womb to use, even if it is with my father (that sounds wrong and disgusting), please help pastor!
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With so many Godly children that are available? I'd say first prove you are not an unsaved whore. After, there are many of God's men searching for women to bear some soldiers in the name of Christ. I myself am looking for a woman of Christ to come into my life, accept my bastard son, and submit her uterus to me for Godly purposes. That passage is literal - in the event there are no other options available.
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
01-14-2012, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by KittyKat
umm hello, Im an unmarried daughter and I was wondering what should I take away form this passage, I mean like should i be umm putting my womb to use, even if it is with my father (that sounds wrong and disgusting), please help pastor!
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
01-14-2012, 07:13 AM
Your bastard son is damned anyway, Billy. To the tenth generation. Why are you letting him be a barrier to your seed finding a legitimate womb?
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
01-14-2012, 07:22 AM
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Your bastard son is damned anyway, Billy. To the tenth generation. Why are you letting him be a barrier to your seed finding a legitimate womb?
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Well he does come with a child tax credit, and the whore of a mother is forced to cough up a good amount of her salary. One of the few good things to owning children in canuckistan.
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
01-14-2012, 07:27 AM
That's all well and good but you are sentimentally letting him be a barrier to you taking in and disciplining a woman into the love of Christ properly and producing sons with the potential to turn out to have been one of the people pre-ordained by God to go to Heaven.
Wastefulness makes Jesus cry.
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
01-15-2012, 09:00 PM
I have a question for the wise leaders.
Like another young lady posted, I am unmarried. I have turned 18 and soon will be 19, but my Father is unable to find a boy he approves of to fathers sons of our Lord.
I knew to be unmarried at this age was shameful, but I had no idea how shameful!
It's just, Father says the boys here have only wretched thoughts on their mind and that I am too much of a temptation to be trusted in their hands for they may use me and then leave me in shame. He says he also need train me more, that me start was too late and I do not know how to keep a husband happy, but I am sure I would make a good wife, if only I could find a holy man to bare sons for.
My father has taught me well what men require and I am most capable of pleasing a husband. I have the creamiest pie and I know it would satisfy a good husband.
I fear I shall never find one in these part though. In your wisdom do you think perhaps I, as chaste as Lot's daughters, should follow in their path?
I am so eager to bare sons, I just don't know what else to do!
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Re: The Chastity of Lot's Daughters -
01-16-2012, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel
Much has been made of the wild doings of Lot's daughters. Everyone knows the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. When a band of wild queers demanded to rape the angels visiting Lot, he offered his two lovely virgin daughters to the crowd. Which rejected them, because they were homers and wanted only manmeat.
Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
After God destroyed the twin cities of perversion, and saved Lot and his family from destruction (except for Lot's harlot wife) they went and hid in a cave. THEN the story gets wild, according to the Bible.
Genesis 19:30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
So many have condemned these two girls for getting their father drunk and raping him on two successive nights. Yes they committed incest with him, but I would put it to you that Lot's daughters were quite chaste compared to some of you. Yes, YOU vile sinners!!
You wives, do you commit adultery with you husbands? You heard me! Do you approach him in order to conceive sons for Christ (as Lot's girls did!), or do you want to use your husband for sinful, selfish pleasure? Do you pester him for carnal lusts, which has nothing to do with making more baby boys? Examine your conscience, ladies! Even the works of Holy Matrimony should be performed for the Glory of God!
Lot's daughters believed that God had destroyed the entire world (again). Up in that cave, they looked at each other and made a decision to keep the human race going fruitfully! They sinned, yes, but their intentions were purely chaste. I am fairly certain that they derived absolutely no pleasure out of fornicating with their decrepit old father in that dank, wet cave. But what's important is that they conceived SONS for Christ! Just as GOD ORDERED!!
You single unmarried ladies out there: are you proud of yourselves? By refusing to procreate, you are sinning against God Almighty! You are no better than the harlots and fornicators who waste their wombs (forgive my french) by keeping them vacant. God commands that you keep a bun in the oven at all times!
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Those of you who are unmarried and childless, and those of you who commit lustful whoredoms with your Husbands are living in SIN!
Compared to you, Lot's daughters were quite chaste. THEY followed God's commandment to multiply even when it meant committing incest with their old daddy! How many of you would be willing to go that far for Jesus?
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