[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

So men know what god thinks and say?

Sure. By reading the Bible. It's not that difficult.

You do not know that gods word in the bible is really gods word. What makes the bible true and not the Torah or the Quran and many other religious books.

The Torah is the first five books of the Bible.

God is all-powerful and all-knowing.

Therefore, He knows exactly what the Bible says and can change every copy in the world in an instant.

It says what it says.

Therefore, it must say what He wants it to say.

I don't understand. You claim to be True Christians, but judge others so harshly? It's not your place to judge others, you can't claim whether someone is going to hell or not..

We aren't "claiming" anything. We are explaining what the Bible says; all nonbelievers and all sinners will be resurrected from unknowing death (Ecclesiastes 9:5) into immortal bodies and then burned alive for eternity in God's Lake of Fire (Revelation 20 - 22).

Are you KIDDING me? If you're born Muslim and decide to be Christian you can, if you're born buddhist and decide to be Christian you can, just so long as you accept Jesus into your heart.

. . . then you would no longer be a Muslim or a Buddhist. You'd be a Christian.

Nobody is "born Muslim" or "born Buddhist". Religions aren't races; they are choices.

You have to marry her and pay her father fifty shekels (if you get caught). See Deuteronomy 22:28-29.

Shekels of silver. A shekel is a measurement, as of mass, not a coin.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

Why are you even posting? You're atheist.. and furthermore I'm not telling Jesus what to do, I'm saying

Friend,

We tolerate that poster in the hopes he will accept Christ's love. Maybe you want to explain to him why his reading of Scripture is wrong on the hopes of helping him reaching Salvation?

"MY Jesus" in the sense that the Baptist Jesus clearly isn't the Universal Jesus who is all forgiving and doesn't strike a man down for not believing in him, but rather give him a second chance.

We don't accept "Baptist Jesus" or "Pentecostal Jesus" or "Catholic Jesus" here. We only deal with Jesus in The Bible

[Chrisy Albert (Quarantined)]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

Every last one of you sicken me. Listen to this man telling everyone that his daughter is A virgin and trying to sell her. First of all if you have money issues dont resort to selling your daughter to A christian home (at 13). Be A man get your work boots and gloves on and prepare to make YOUR childs way through YOUR blood sweat and tears. I would defy God and destroy all those in my way just so my child could have more than I have been dealt in life. Times are getting hard believe me I know but thats no reason to sell the one person you can call your biological daughter to some old guy who she'll never be able to call father. And Gos only knows what he will do to her. Even in the brightest of light you can find the darkest of evils.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

no reason to sell the one person you can call your biological daughter to some old guy who she'll never be able to call father.

Her new owner would be her Husband of course.
As regards your other points perhaps you could post some Scripture to support what you've written? The Bible I read is altogether clear on these matters and your comments seem quite different.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

And Gos only knows what he will do to her.

Now see here young man. No one is suggesting she be sold to just anyone.

I dare say the father and Pastor will have selected a good Christian man of experience and discretion no doubt with many years and a good business behind him.

Our very own Captain Portway has recently married Naomi and although the age gap is significant he is reasonable happy with her.

What is your problem?

YIC

[Colombian Christian]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

I' m sorry. I'm a bit new to this. How do you mean sell your daughter?

[Didymus Much]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

I' m sorry. I'm a bit new to this. How do you mean sell your daughter?

New to pretending to be a Christian on the internet? How could we ever tell?

Read your Bible, everything is in there.

Here's one way: Exodus 21:7 "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do."

NASB uses the term "female slave" instead of "maidservant", if you prefer that.

[Redmancometh]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

Whoever is on this horrible human being's side should go re-read romans 13:5, or if you prefer peter 2:13. The laws of our great country say that the act of sex trafficking is illegal. Forced marriage is also illegal. Violation of autonomy is illegal.

This is ALSO extortion by the way if you force it. If you say something like "I clothe you, I feed you blah blah I won't take care of you if you do not go through with this." or maybe "I will disown you otherwise" you are obtaining something through the force of threat. That is literally the EXACT definition of extortion. In Corinthians it is said that extortion is among the grossest violations of HIS laws.

"Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Make no mistake that what you propose in the context of OUR great country is nothing more than sex trafficking. You are accepting money in exchange for forcing your daughter to marry someone. One of the sturdiest pillars of marriage is procreation, so sex is inevitable.

So in a round-about way you are accepting money for sex. It is nothing but a long-term prostitution contract! Further you are trading the happiness of your own flesh and blood for currency. I don't know if you have ever heard of this deadly sin called "greed," but you should probably look into it.

[Redmancometh]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

Oh yeaaaah I forgot to mention something. Levi you have both a computer and internet access. You would put less priority on your daughter's happiness than a machine created by the evils of science?

You obviously aren't in that much financial trouble if you have the time to type on a forum. I had 3 jobs from 18-25 to support my family. The time you have spent posting this question steeped in sin and immorality could have been spent in HIS service, or even just working for money.

May the right hand of God take you, and place you in a lake of fire for all eternity. He will forgive you, because that's his nature, but I wouldn't. If it was up to me I would have Satan "sell you" (specifically your holes) to his servants, so you could feel your daughter's pain.

You are an egocentric sociopath as far as I'm concerned.

[Born Again Bob]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

Tut, tut. Judge not!

[Didymus Much]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

Whoever is on this horrible human being's side should go re-read romans 13:5, or if you prefer peter 2:13. The laws of our great country say that the act of sex trafficking is illegal...

Dowries and bride prices are quite legal, however.

...This is ALSO extortion by the way if you force it...

So every parent that says, "No dessert until you finish your veggies", is guilty of extortion (in your opinion). Good luck trying to get that to stand up in court.

...In Corinthians it is said that extortion is among the grossest violations of HIS laws...

You're sounding rather Catholic, in that (in your opinion) there are greater and lesser violations of God's laws. As James 2:10 states:

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

But there is ONE sin greater than all. C'mon, Exalted Bible Scholar, can you name it?

...I don't know if you have ever heard of this deadly sin called "greed," but you should probably look into it.

Uh oh, you are a Catholic. Please share with us all the Scriptural support for the concept of "deadly" sins.

[Redmancometh]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

Dowries and bride prices are quite legal, however.

[bold]Not if they are 13.[/bold]

So every parent that says, "No dessert until you finish your veggies", is guilty of extortion (in your opinion). Good luck trying to get that to stand up in court.

Actually yes they are guilty of extortion, but it would be incredibly silly to prosecute for it, so a statute of limitations exists. Eating your veggies is not the same as forcing someone to have sex with someone they don't want to. You know that, and don't act like you don't.

Also it is *NOT* legal in the United States of America if they are under-aged. It is *specifically* mentioned in the child abuse prevention and treatment act (CAPTA). There have only been 18 prosecutions under that legislation in United States history, but it still exists.

State of California vs. Marcellino Jesus Martinez sets the "measuring stick" precedent. Basically if money or any other good is traded both before the marriage, and while the child is a minor it is considered human trafficking.

If she is NOT under-aged, and is still "forced" in any sense of the word both human trafficking and extortion charges can be leveled.

Even if it were legal you know as well as I do that the difference is practical NOT moral. If you say practical differences ought hold more weight then you are saying science is more important than religion by the way.

You're sounding rather Catholic, in that (in your opinion) there are greater and lesser violations of God's laws. As James 2:10 states:

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

But there is ONE sin greater than all. C'mon, Exalted Bible Scholar, can you name it?

I assume you mean the sin of not believing. Have I given you any reason to believe I have committed that sin? Also by saying that the sin of unbelieving is a greater sin than other sins is saying that yes there are lesser and greater sins.

If you break one law it is the same as breaking all laws. Not all sins are covered by laws though. If I break the law by stealing something I am not also guilty of premarital intercourse, as it is not against the law. Don't try and say it's referring to HIS law either because right above that it specifies royal law:

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(sorry had to google that one honestly)
Not only that but he specifies you MUST be convicted as guilty for that to occur:
"But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors."

So if there is a sin that there is no law for you cannot be convicted/convinced for it, and this does not apply. There are references to this later, and I'll post them too if you want.

Not only does the bible say there are lesser and greater sins, but *The same sin* can be worse in different cases. "
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."

In other words if they "know not what they do" their sins are not as great. The last time I checked for something to be "worse" than something else something has to be "better" than the thing that is worse.

Uh oh, you are a Catholic. Please share with us all the Scriptural support for the concept of "deadly" sins.

We can learn from others beliefs even while we do not share them. I don't buy the idea that those sins are necessarily worse than others. I do however see the utility in recognizing these as sins that are essentially a "slippery slope" which is the whole point of them in the first place. Greed leads to far worse sins (the mafia for example), sloth...well I'm just going to say the devil's hands are idle playthings and the internet is a dirty place. You get the point.

"A scorner seeketh wisdom, and not: but knowledge [is] easy unto him that understandeth." That's straight out of proverbs 14:6 (the cambridge king james edition) so I'm just following the word of god as we should all do.

I'm not gonna post the quote from Matthew about being close-minded because I'm sure you know it.

[Didymus Much]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

...Actually yes they are guilty of extortion, but it would be incredibly silly to prosecute for it, so a statute of limitations exists...

You might want to learn what a statute of limitations is.

...Eating your veggies is not the same as forcing someone to have sex with someone they don't want to. You know that, and don't act like you don't...

You're the one who offered that definition of extortion (obtaining cooperation through threat). My example fit your definition. You're not moving the goalposts, are you?

...Even if it were legal you know as well as I do that the difference is practical NOT moral. If you say practical differences ought hold more weight then you are saying science is more important than religion by the way...

In the interests of full disclosure (and due to the fact that you haven't noticed the awards beside my name), I am atheist, and this whole thing makes me want to puke, but it is Biblicly justifiable, and still quite common in many parts of the world.

...I assume you mean the sin of not believing.

Nope. See Matthew 12:31-32.

I hadn't heard of CAPTA (but am glad to), so I guess we both learned something today.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(sorry had to google that one honestly)

There's nothing wrong with looking stuff up.

Although I was encouraged to read The Bible as a child there are many passages that I'd missed and it has been a blessing for me to be directed to some of them here. On the other hand, reading through Isaiah aged about 7 means that I've been familiar with Isaiah for some years and if someone aged 100 had never read Isaiah at all then a simple text quoted would be the first time the centenarian had heard that text (and vice versa).

Glad to see you're using the KJV site, the font's done in a nice colour too.

We can learn from others beliefs even while we do not share them.

Not if those beliefs are wrong, however.

In Hebrews 10 a number of such points are covered:

HEBREWS 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

As a gentile my standing in regard to Jewish law does not arise. It would never have applied to me - probably in a legalistic sense my obligations would have fallen under Roman or Viking legal codes (had I lived a millennium or two ago). But that is not the point. NOW we have atonement for transgressions under GOD's Law; the author continues:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
KJV . whole chapter

This is not suggesting that some sins are worse than others but explaining (as if any explanation were necessary) that rejection of the means of Salvation eliminates any prospect of Salvation. Perhaps you could compare "the refusal to purchase a Vivienne Westwood ballgown" precludes any prospect of "owning a Vivienne Westwood ballgown" — except that where The Blood Of The Covenant is rejected it is a GIFT that is repulsed.

In so far as it is Sin it is the same as any sin. But what (obviously) results from that sin is not quite the same.
Ultimately of course upon arrival in HELL FOREVER the wretched soul will realise the cataclysm it has chosen; it IS a choice however and I'd urge you to read The Bible before making yours.

I hope that is helpful.

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: How much do you guys think I could sell my daughter for?

[bold]Not if they are 13.[/bold]


Actually yes they are guilty of extortion, blah, blah, and on and on .

From your post and your apparent intimate knowledge of the subject matter it could possibly be postulated that "YOU" have been in prosecuted for human trafficking/slavery for the purpose of sexual gratification.