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04-13-2010, 04:18 PM
As a good Christian I am quite shaken after viewing this internet cartoon. How to refute the message of the last caption?
Please help me, brothers, for I am seriously considering giving away my every possession, including this computer, and I am scared of what this implies about so-called true followers. If it is right by the Bible, I will adapt to its implications, but is there any way around this? Hoping this community has found it if there is...
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04-13-2010, 04:26 PM
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As a good Christian I am quite shaken after viewing this internet cartoon. How to refute the message of the last caption?
Please help me, brothers, for I am seriously considering giving away my every possession, including this computer, and I am scared of what this implies about so-called true followers. If it is right by the Bible, I will adapt to its implications, but is there any way around this? Hoping this community has found it if there is...
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You have been lied to. The maker of the cartoon is clearly twisting the Holy Scripture. Twisting the Holy Bible is a very big sin, God does not like that.
Luke 14:26-33 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."
This is not about going to Heaven but about becoming one of the 12 disciples of Jesus.
Luke 18:18-22 "And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me."
This applies to a ruler. So Obama and the Queen of England are clearly in trouble here but most of us are not.
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Re: How do we explain this? -
04-13-2010, 04:30 PM
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As a good Christian I am quite shaken after viewing this internet cartoon. How to refute the message of the last caption?
Please help me, brothers, for I am seriously considering giving away my every possession, including this computer, and I am scared of what this implies about so-called true followers. If it is right by the Bible, I will adapt to its implications, but is there any way around this? Hoping this community has found it if there is...
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What do you think mortgages are about friend? We Christians set up system to cover that in 1866.
http://truthrss.com/category/freeman-on-the-land/
You see we came up with this corporate person for each American citizen that is owned by the banks. Thus we Christians have no possessions, it is all owned by the Jewish bankers.
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04-13-2010, 04:31 PM
Magnificent. I cannot thank you enough for the clarity, brother.
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04-13-2010, 08:13 PM
The bible tells us of a world where a snake and donkey talked, where giants lived in the land, where people live to be over 900 years old, where a woman was turned into a pillar of salt, where a pillar of fire led people by night, where the sun stopped moving across the sky or could even back up, where an axe head can float on water, where a star could point down to a specific home, where people could instantly speak in foreign languages and where someone's shadow or handkerchief could heal you.
It is a world where a flood could cover the earth and where a man could walk on water, turn water into wine, calm a stormy sea, be swallowed by a big fish and live to tell about it.
It is a world full of demons that could create chaos on earth as well as make people sick.
In this world you find idol worship where human and animal sacrifices pleased God. It is a world where God lives in the sky and people who die go down to the dark recesses of the earth.
This world is full of visions, inspired dreams, prophetic utterances, miracle workers, magicians, diviners, etc. Man is not in control of his life. Evil spirits may possess him of Satan may inspire him with evil thoughts.
It is all, of course, complete and utter nonsense. It's absolutely amazing that people in this day and age really do believe such rubbish.
“The belief that a walking dead Jewish deity who was his own father although he always existed, commits suicide by cop, although he didn't really die, in order to give himself permission not to send you to an eternal place of torture that he created for you, but instead to make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood, and telepathically promise him you accept him as your master, so he can cleanse you of an evil force that is present in mankind because a rib-woman and a mud-man were convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree." - anon.
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Re: How do we explain this? -
04-13-2010, 08:18 PM
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The bible tells us of a world where a snake and donkey talked, where giants lived in the land, where people live to be over 900 years old, where a woman was turned into a pillar of salt, where a pillar of fire led people by night, where the sun stopped moving across the sky or could even back up, where an axe head can float on water, where a star could point down to a specific home, where people could instantly speak in foreign languages and where someone's shadow or handkerchief could heal you.
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04-13-2010, 08:19 PM
Is it idiot day today?
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04-13-2010, 08:20 PM
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It is all, of course, complete and utter nonsense. It's absolutely amazing that people in this day and age really do believe such rubbish.
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Please prove that talking donkeys, talking snakes, giants, people surviving their own deaths and so forth didn't happen.
You secularists pride yourself self on your reason. Perhaps you can show us this vaunted quality of yours?
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04-14-2010, 06:01 PM
I think the cartoon's misinterpretation is on what the meaning of "give to the poor" means.
Now, if you believe it means handing out cash to every homeless person in town, I have a suggestion for you - economize by the crack cocaine in bulk. because that's where the money will go - to crack dealers. I've seen this firsthand. You might as well cut out the middleman. (Seriously if you are planning to do this, I know people).
Now, on the other hand, if you believe in giving to the poor in a way that actually helps them, you'll want to give to an organization that helps them. And there is one organization that helps poor people more than all other charities in the world combined: Landover Baptist Church. What's the point of feeding people to "keep body and soul together" if that soul is on it's way to damnation? There will be no more soup kitchens in HELL.
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04-14-2010, 06:49 PM
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It does indeed seem like that.
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04-14-2010, 06:52 PM
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Please prove that talking donkeys, talking snakes, giants, people surviving their own deaths and so forth didn't happen.
You secularists pride yourself self on your reason. Perhaps you can show us this vaunted quality of yours?
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There are plenty of reasons they couldn't have existed, number one language was created as humans evolved larger brains. Animals simply don't possess the capacity for language.
Also there is no evidence of any sort of vestigial vocal cords in these animals that could have at any time reproduced human language. Also what could a donkey possibly have to say?
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Also what could a donkey possibly have to say?
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About the same as you. Nothing useful. Please leave us alone now!
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04-14-2010, 07:09 PM
Mr. Oldman if a donkey described to me all of the physical reasons it couldnt speak, i would abandon all of my worldly goods and spend the rest of my days praising and preaching
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04-14-2010, 07:16 PM
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There are plenty of reasons they couldn't have existed, number one language was created as humans evolved larger brains. Animals simply don't possess the capacity for language.
Also there is no evidence of any sort of vestigial vocal cords in these animals that could have at any time reproduced human language. Also what could a donkey possibly have to say?
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According to the Bible quite a lot.
Look friend, all you have done is offer speculation as to why the snake in The Garden or why Balaam donkey couldn't talk. I want proof. Show me a voiceless snake skeleton from the Garden of Eden and then I will believe you. Until then you have only conjecture and opinion. Hardly science.
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04-14-2010, 09:47 PM
When a snake flicks its tongue, it is gathering odor particles for transfer to two fluid-filled sacs at the roof of the mouth -- Jacobson's organs -- that lead to a second, smaller olfactory chamber. The tongue is used only to assist in this process, how could a tiny snake's tongue be used to form the words used in language?
Snakes do not have a diaphragm like people do, so they circulate air in and out of the lungs by narrowing the rib cage to push air out and then widening it again to create a vacuum to suck air in. After each breathing cycle, snakes experience apnea -- a stop in breathing -- that lasts from a few seconds to as long as a few minutes. How could anything hope to regulate the air needed to speak with no diaphragm?
If God created everything than it would be safe to assume that snakes in biblical times were exactly like they are now, tiny reptiles with forked tongues and fangs incapable of shaping vowel or consonant sounds and no diaphragm or vocal cords with which to speak.
I am sorry that I do not know enough specifically about donkeys to elaborate on why they would be unable to speak.
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04-14-2010, 10:03 PM
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Simple. Because God made them that way. Just like He made you to waste our time.
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04-14-2010, 10:11 PM
Cranky, even if God did make them that way, they still can't speak with the organs I have described. Why would God neglect to add a diaphragm or a mouth with any remote ability to formulate sound beyond a hiss if he wanted snakes to be able to speak? The snakes tongue was developed to enhance its ability to smell, not allow it mastery of human languages.
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04-14-2010, 10:25 PM
You are indeed completely crazy. Please go look into a mirror until you see something beautiful.
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04-14-2010, 10:36 PM
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When a snake flicks its tongue, it is gathering odor particles for transfer to two fluid-filled sacs at the roof of the mouth -- Jacobson's organs -- that lead to a second, smaller olfactory chamber. The tongue is used only to assist in this process, how could a tiny snake's tongue be used to form the words used in language?
Snakes do not have a diaphragm like people do, so they circulate air in and out of the lungs by narrowing the rib cage to push air out and then widening it again to create a vacuum to suck air in. After each breathing cycle, snakes experience apnea -- a stop in breathing -- that lasts from a few seconds to as long as a few minutes. How could anything hope to regulate the air needed to speak with no diaphragm?
If God created everything than it would be safe to assume that snakes in biblical times were exactly like they are now, tiny reptiles with forked tongues and fangs incapable of shaping vowel or consonant sounds and no diaphragm or vocal cords with which to speak.
I am sorry that I do not know enough specifically about donkeys to elaborate on why they would be unable to speak.
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That is a very nice explanation on how voiceless snakes work but again were is your proof? Hard physical evidence? You atheists have the archeologists in your pocket. You can't tell me one of them hasn't bothered to go dig around the Garden of Eden and look for snakes.
Show me a non-talking snake form the Garden of Eden.
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Re: Sell everything I own? Give to the Poor? What? -
04-14-2010, 10:39 PM
Cranky you aren't even answering the question I proposed, you're just calling me crazy and stupid. You aren't listening or responding to what I am saying. The fact is that snakes cant talk, their mouths and respiratory systems function in a completely different way from ours. When asked for proof as to why snakes can't talk, I provided it. I didn't call anyone crazy or foolish, I only explained that if snakes can't talk now, they couldn't talk in biblical times.
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