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05-02-2012, 09:48 PM
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Please, for the love of god, listen to yourself. You literally just said that jesus, the son of god, found a LOOPHOLE in god's law? How can you possibly believe in god as an all-knowing, all powerful being, and then spout out that Jesus found a loophole in his all powerful will. At least if you're going to debate, use your words a little more carefully. There are no loopholes to god's laws. Again, if you believe that, you are no christian, and you don't believe in what you say you believe in.
From what I gather, which is exactly what I've gathered from so many christians, is that you don't believe in god, the one laid before you in the old testament, you believe only in jesus christ. So leave god out of it.
Be consistent. Please.
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05-02-2012, 09:52 PM
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...How can you possibly believe in God as an all-knowing, all powerful being, and then spout out that Jesus found a loophole in His all powerful will?...
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Because Jesus is God (John 10:30).
Why are you over-complicating this? If these numptys can wrap their feeble brains around it, why can't you?
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05-02-2012, 10:00 PM
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I honestly believe this is the first time we have been accused of not following the Old Testament. Congratulations.
Incidentally, you should capitalise God.
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If you can give me a reason to capitalize god, I will. Do you honestly believe that god, the creator of the universe, would care if I capitalized his name or not? Sincerely.
And thank you for the congratulations, I am honored to come here and challenge your faith to the core. It deserves the challenge.
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05-02-2012, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Hitch23
If you can give me a reason to capitalize god, I will. Do you honestly believe that god, the creator of the universe, would care if I capitalized his name or not? Sincerely.
And thank you for the congratulations, I am honored to come here and challenge your faith to the core. It deserves the challenge.
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Is the concept of simple good manners beyond you atheists? Or do you just delight in making shocking noises and being wilfully vexatious?
If you think your childish antics challenge anything then you are very much mistaken. You're doing it wrong.
You merely strengthen my resolve to laugh at people of your ilk along with Jesus when I am in Heaven.
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05-02-2012, 10:06 PM
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Because Jesus is God (John 10:30).
Why are you over-complicating this? If these numptys can wrap their feeble brains around it, why can't you?
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I hope you're trolling. So your logic is that god found a loophole in god's own law? So by saying that, none of the laws that god ever created are without repudiation because there are loopholes in them, but only god can find them. So in essence, god is his own false prophet, who claims to know everything about the universe and says so, but then also says he is wrong sometimes.
So, I think I just pretty clearly pointed out that I'm not the one over-complicating anything.
I suppose this is too simple for people to understand... There is no god, just love one another.
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05-02-2012, 10:08 PM
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If you can give me a reason to capitalize god, I will. Do you honestly believe that god, the creator of the universe, would care if I capitalized his name or not? Sincerely.
And thank you for the congratulations, I am honored to come here and challenge your faith to the core. It deserves the challenge.
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God is a proper noun when referring to God and as such should be capitalised. This isn't a religious point, its an English point. I do think He (the capital there is a religious point) would care though. He (not a religious point in this case - simply the start of a sentence, but I would have capitalised anyway) created language and would expect us to use it properly.
You haven't challenged my faith to the core. I accept it deserves a challenge but as of this moment I've put you in the category of "people who don't know what they're talking about" not "people who challenge my faith to the core". Not that that can't change later, but for the moment thats how it is.
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05-02-2012, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist
Is the concept of simple good manners beyond you atheists? Or do you just delight in making shocking noises and being wilfully vexatious?
If you think your childish antics challenge anything then you are very much mistaken. You're doing it wrong.
You merely strengthen my resolve to laugh at people of your ilk along with Jesus when I am in Heaven.
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Trust me sir that there is nothing childish within me. I let go of childish things when I became an adult. Nothing that I've typed here today is in any way shape or form an antic. There is hate and intolerance in the words that you and some of the other people on this forum spout, and I came here to call you out on it. If you read my posts, you will see very clearly that I am a bid fan of Jesus, I am simply not a big fan of people who claim power of him by wielding their own ignorant, immature, and hateful opinions in his name. Jesus would have befriended any "fag" he met, and love him, yet you spit in their faces and curse them to eternal damnation as if you make those judgments.
You are no christian, no lover of human kind, no meek and mild healer of the sick. You are a false god, one who has taken his word and built your own temple with it, and claimed it for your own. You have no right here to condemn, you have only the right to repent for your sins, sinner, and leave the rest to the father almighty.
Just because you claim to have god on your side does not make you righteous. Look inward.
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05-02-2012, 10:20 PM
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Trust me sir that there is nothing childish within me. I let go of childish things when I became an adult. Nothing that I've typed here today is in any way shape or form an antic. There is hate and intolerance in the words that you and some of the other people on this forum spout, and I came here to call you out on it. If you read my posts, you will see very clearly that I am a bid fan of Jesus, I am simply not a big fan of people who claim power of him by wielding their own ignorant, immature, and hateful opinions in his name. Jesus would have befriended any "fag" he met, and love him, yet you spit in their faces and curse them to eternal damnation as if you make those judgments.
You are no christian, no lover of human kind, no meek and mild healer of the sick. You are a false god, one who has taken his word and built your own temple with it, and claimed it for your own. You have no right here to condemn, you have only the right to repent for your sins, sinner, and leave the rest to the father almighty.
Just because you claim to have god on your side does not make you righteous. Look inward.
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How does quoting the Bible verbatim as an infallible record of what God thinks of homosexuality in any way commit a falsehood about the issue pertinent to this thread?
Why do you think you know better? What special insight did you have that is somehow denied to the rest of us about why God did mean this but didn't mean that?
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05-02-2012, 10:35 PM
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How does quoting the Bible verbatim as an infallible record of what God thinks of homosexuality in any way commit a falsehood about the issue pertinent to this thread?
Why do you think you know better? What special insight did you have that is somehow denied to the rest of us about why God did mean this but didn't mean that?
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Jesus Christ! I'm not the one claiming to know anything! That would be you! You cannot claim to know the meaning of god's word or will, simply because it was written in a book. You think you have taken the word of Jesus to heart, but you have not.
And what special insight do you have, that is denied the rest of us, about why god did mean this but didn't mean that? My insight comes from independent thought and reason, not from following words given to bronze aged people who thought an earthquake was god stomping his foot, and sacrificed rams in order for the rain to fall.
Further, if you claim the right to know the truth, and claim the right to "witness" to other people this truth, claim the right to pass judgement on others, then I claim the right to know the truth as well, the right to "witness" to you is within my power. Notice that in none of what I've said have I condemned you to eternal torment. I love you, truly, I care not what you think, or how you live, as long as you love others and treat them as would anyone else, but if you don't your punishment will be here and now, in your own heart, and at your own hand, not mine. I only want you to be free.
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05-02-2012, 10:50 PM
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My insight comes from independent thought and reason, not from following words
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And there it is! In a nutshell, you are saying that the god you believe in (lower case on purpose since it's your made-up god, not the REAL God) is of your own creation. Well, way to go! Does this made-up god have a name?
You think you're so clever, don't you? Well fine, be that way. Live the rest of your pathetic life believing in your own personal god. Maybe he will be a comfort to you after our Lord sends you to Hell.
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05-02-2012, 10:58 PM
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there is nothing childish within me. I let go of childish things when I became an adult.
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Saying that people should be able to do things (such as be a sex pervert) "just because they want to" is childish!
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You are no christian, no lover of human kind, no meek and mild healer of the sick.
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Introspective systems of "contemplation" originated as part of a demonic world view, in such places as India. The result is utter degradation + a few maharajahs atop their piles of looted opulence. God commands us to look out from ourselves.
MARK 16
9 ¶ Now when Iesus was risen early, the first day of the weeke, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seuen deuils.
10 And she went and told them that had beene with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was aliue, and had beene seene of her, beleeued not.
12 ¶ After that, he appeared in another forme vnto two of them, as they walked, and went into the countrey.
13 And they went and tolde it vnto the residue, neither beleeued they them.
14 ¶ Afterward he appeared vnto the eleuen, as they sate at meat, and vpbraided them with their vnbeliefe, and hardnesse of heart, because they beleeued not them, which had seene him after he was risen.
15 And he said vnto them, Goe yee into all the world, and preach the Gospel to euery creature.
16 He that beleeueth and is baptized, shalbe saued, but he that beleeueth not, shall be damned.
17 And these signes shal follow them that beleeue, In my Name shall they cast out deuils, they shall speake with new tongues,
18 They shall take vp serpents, and if they drinke any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sicke, and they shall recouer.
©1611 Notice how the disciples were - walking in the countryside
- sitting and eating
not wallowing in a tantric yoga session following their leader's death?
When Jesus met them He did not say "Go into all the world.." and do yoga classes or "Go into all the world.." and hide under a blanket licking your navel AND He gave a list of activities v17 f- cast out demons
- speak with new tongues
- take up serpents
- drink any deadly thing without harm
- lay hands on the sick & they shall recover
which would follow from True belief and your yoga obsession is not on the list is it.
Looking "inward" leads to "emptying" one's mind and replacing it with the will of satan.
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Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way! -
05-02-2012, 11:06 PM
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Please, for the love of god, listen to yourself. You literally just said that jesus, the son of god, found a LOOPHOLE in god's law? How can you possibly believe in god as an all-knowing, all powerful being, and then spout out that Jesus found a loophole in his all powerful will. At least if you're going to debate, use your words a little more carefully. There are no loopholes to god's laws. Again, if you believe that, you are no christian, and you don't believe in what you say you believe in.
From what I gather, which is exactly what I've gathered from so many christians, is that you don't believe in god, the one laid before you in the old testament, you believe only in jesus christ. So leave god out of it.
Be consistent. Please.
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Look, son, Jesus found a loophole so that He could forgive ex-sinners like me. If He hadn't temporarily sacrificed Himself to Himself we would still be slaying rams on altars for redemption. Now all we have to do is accept the mercy of the Living God and we have the same status as one redeemed by a Priest of Aaron. You aren't glad that Jesus died for our sins? Then that is why you will burn. All you have to do is accept His forgiveness, quit sinning, and get baptized, and you can avoid eternal damnation. Isn't that worth it?
Why do you keep ejaculating in Jesus' face?
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05-03-2012, 01:38 AM
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Look, son, Jesus found a loophole so that He could forgive ex-sinners like me. If He hadn't temporarily sacrificed Himself to Himself we would still be slaying rams on altars for redemption. Now all we have to do is accept the mercy of the Living God and we have the same status as one redeemed by a Priest of Aaron. You aren't glad that Jesus died for our sins? Then that is why you will burn. All you have to do is accept His forgiveness, quit sinning, and get baptized, and you can avoid eternal damnation. Isn't that worth it?
Why do you keep ejaculating in Jesus' face?
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This is how you relate to people, isnt it, by using language like that. You think of me as a pervert, but that last thought of yours came from your filthy mind, no mine. The hypocrisy here is astounding. You are all so blind. No, I am not glad that jesus died for our sins, no one should ever be put to death for the sins of others, its immoral and wrong. We should take responsibilty for our own actions, not use a scapegoat. I think you are coming from the viewpoint that I believe in eternal damnation, why would you think that knowing I am an atheist? That makes no sense. Why would be afraid of something that doesnt exist? Oh, and god is not a proper noun, god is an idea, no need to capitalize an idea. Would any of you capitalize the word allah?
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05-03-2012, 01:49 AM
*sigh*
God is a proper noun. As is Allah. As is Islam. As is Jesus. Do a search and you will see that all are capitalised.
This conversation would be a lot easier if you would stop making things up. You might want to redefine spelling rules to fit your insane agenda but it doesn't make you look edgy. It makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about. k?
The meat of your objection is equally nonsensical. We ARE taking responsibility for our actions. If I end up in Hell its noones fault but my own. When the True Christians are laughing at me, I'll not be complaining its unfair. I'll be saying "Well, Catherine, what did you expect. God told us not to <whichever sin it was I did that landed me there> and you did." That seems to me to be the very definition of taking responsibility, no?
I'm sorry if that sounded argumentative. Its late and I'm tired but I can't get to sleep.
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05-03-2012, 02:29 AM
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*sigh*
God is a proper noun. As is Allah. As is Islam. As is Jesus. Do a search and you will see that all are capitalised.
This conversation would be a lot easier if you would stop making things up. You might want to redefine spelling rules to fit your insane agenda but it doesn't make you look edgy. It makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about. k?
The meat of your objection is equally nonsensical. We ARE taking responsibility for our actions. If I end up in Hell its noones fault but my own. When the True Christians are laughing at me, I'll not be complaining its unfair. I'll be saying "Well, Catherine, what did you expect. God told us not to <whichever sin it was I did that landed me there> and you did." That seems to me to be the very definition of taking responsibility, no?
I'm sorry if that sounded argumentative. Its late and I'm tired but I can't get to sleep.
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You don't sound argumentative at all. I understand that I do sound that way, and it is my intent. I won't lie about that. What strikes me as humorous is that you became fixated on the fact that I don't capitalize god, which from my viewpoint makes no sense, because I don't recognize that word as meaning anything outside of some people's idea of a spiritual creator. As in, I would not capitalize the word god when referring to the Greek gods or the Roman gods. They are all the same to me, made up entities, therefor in no way necessary for capitalization. I will however capitalize it from now on if it truly does offend everyone here.
I agree that you are taking responsibility. But to me it is circular logic, that the reasons you would end up in hell were imposed on you by words in a book. You've been put into a situation that you had no control of. Most likely you are a Christian because you were born into a Christian family, or were born in a majority Christian country. That is just statistical fact. So what you believe to be taking responsibility is actually just a response to the constraints put on you as a child. See, I don't believe that any person will or ever has burned in hell. The very idea that your "father" would even contemplate the idea of burning any of his children forever is sickening and immoral and has no place in my belief system. It holds no sway over me. So when you say you take responsibility for your actions so as not to go to hell, you're actually saying that you bow to the wishes of a supernatural being who is said to be "all love" who in actuality condemned you before you were even able to sin to eternal torture. No father would ever do that, unless that father was a sociopath.
Trust me, I'm not trying to be "edgy". I'm the least "edgy" guy on the planet. This is what I believe, and I live my life accordingly. I capitalize things accordingly, I sound like a heretic and as if I know nothing to you accordingly. How could I not. Please understand that when people talk about religion, any religion, they sound EXACTLY as I sound to you. What gets my ire up, as I started to say before, is that I find it humorous that not capitalizing God would elicit a response from you, but you give no response to your fellow Christians on this board who spout hate speech repeatedly. And who write incredibly ignorant things which I think you read and roll your eyes about, but say nothing. But God forbid a dirty, godless heathen of an Atheist like myself doesn't capitalize a word, and you feel compelled to action.
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05-03-2012, 02:41 AM
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Atheist isn't a proper noun and shouldn't be capitalised.
I have German nationality. In Germany the age of consent is 14. I live, though, in the UK where it is 16.
If I were to have sex with a 15 year old I'd get arrested. If I went to my grandfather's house and did it, I wouldn't. My point is, secular laws are arbitrary and location dependant.
If I took the Lord's name in vain here, I'd be sinning. If I did it in Berlin, I'd also be sinning. God's laws aren't location dependant and are consistent.
So, yes, you can say that I became a Christian because of my family (I didn't, in fact, but that doesn't harm your point) but to say its ridiculous because they're just constraints placed on a child is to say exactly the same about secular law which I am certain you follow. Further, secular law doesn't have the internal consistency of God's law.
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05-03-2012, 05:12 AM
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Saying that people should be able to do things (such as be a sex pervert) "just because they want to" is childish!
Introspective systems of "contemplation" originated as part of a demonic world view, in such places as India. The result is utter degradation + a few maharajahs atop their piles of looted opulence. God commands us to look out from ourselves.
MARK 16
9 ¶ Now when Iesus was risen early, the first day of the weeke, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seuen deuils.
10 And she went and told them that had beene with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was aliue, and had beene seene of her, beleeued not.
12 ¶ After that, he appeared in another forme vnto two of them, as they walked, and went into the countrey.
13 And they went and tolde it vnto the residue, neither beleeued they them.
14 ¶ Afterward he appeared vnto the eleuen, as they sate at meat, and vpbraided them with their vnbeliefe, and hardnesse of heart, because they beleeued not them, which had seene him after he was risen.
15 And he said vnto them, Goe yee into all the world, and preach the Gospel to euery creature.
16 He that beleeueth and is baptized, shalbe saued, but he that beleeueth not, shall be damned.
17 And these signes shal follow them that beleeue, In my Name shall they cast out deuils, they shall speake with new tongues,
18 They shall take vp serpents, and if they drinke any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sicke, and they shall recouer.
©1611 Notice how the disciples were - walking in the countryside
- sitting and eating
not wallowing in a tantric yoga session following their leader's death?
When Jesus met them He did not say "Go into all the world.." and do yoga classes or "Go into all the world.." and hide under a blanket licking your navel AND He gave a list of activities v17 f- cast out demons
- speak with new tongues
- take up serpents
- drink any deadly thing without harm
- lay hands on the sick & they shall recover
which would follow from True belief and your yoga obsession is not on the list is it.
Looking "inward" leads to "emptying" one's mind and replacing it with the will of satan.
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Wow. Ok. So you took my look inward and somehow made the leap to yoga and other ninsense. I was talking about looking at one's self, sort of like Jesus said when he talked about casting the first stone. Please explain your point again, about the apostles. Yes, I see that they are sitting outside and eating. What is your point? And please explain to me how picking up snakes, drinking poison, or speaking in tongues are in any way more rational thnigs to do than say.... I don't know... contemplating things and stretching? What you are really saying is that people shouldn't think, only obey. That is not type of path to happiness in my eyes. In fact, it sounds rather stupid, literally, to tell someone that they should not think. I really don't undestand anything you were trying to say, I apologize.
Oh, and I don't do yoga, or any pagan ritualistic stuff, I dont believe in that hogwash either. Do you drink snake venom, speak in tongues, and handle cobras with no fear?
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Jesus doesn't say that nobody should cast stones.
He says that he who is without sin may cast stones.
And friend, he who abides in Jesus Christ is made sinfree (as 1 John 3:5-9 says).
Thus, Jesus expects True Christians™ to cast stones. Glory!
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05-03-2012, 05:28 AM
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A paraphrase of this pretentious windbag in each and every post he's made:
Blah blah I, blah blah me, blah blah I me, blah me my I, blah blah sniff my own farts, blah blah favorite smell in the world, blah blah I am sexually aroused by the thought of my own nudity, blah blah blah I am the smartest person I know, blah blah blah.
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Good Lord, you are just the worst. Try a little humility pal! I swear you'd argue about the color of the sky, all while telling us how stupid we are for not agreeing with you and how awesome you are for letting us listen to your wisdom. You sir, are the worst kind of unsaved, self-involved heathen!
I don't say this often, but I hope you NEVER get saved. The thought of spending even five minutes anywhere NEAR you, let alone all eternity, makes me want to jump off a bridge!
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Unsaved Trash, Rabid godmocker
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Posts: 21
Join Date: May 2012
Location: riding the short bus to hell
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Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way! -
05-03-2012, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel
Jesus doesn't say that nobody should cast stones.
He says that he who is without sin may cast stones.
And friend, he who abides in Jesus Christ is made sinfree (as 1 John 3:5-9 says).
Thus, Jesus expects True Christians™ to cast stones. Glory!
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You couldn't be "wronger". Being saved or a True Christian (Christ, you've trademarked it?) does not give you any right to cast stones. See that's your problem, you don't listen when other human beings let you know that you're being hurtful. You and many of the other people in this forum are just plainly hurtful. You hurt other people for no other reason but that you think you are right. I know, I know, you dont think it, you know it, because the bible is true and yada yada. I dont mean disrespect by that, I just think you are using your religion as a cover for hate and bigotry. The vast majority of people that visit this site feel the same way. You guys have lost your way. Truly. It actually makes me very sad to have come here. Despite what you think of me, I am a very good person, I try hard every day to be the best person I can be. Before I started posting this afternoon, I read some threads and was appalled. Now how can that be? Me the atheist, shocked and hurt to the point that I would sign up and start posting because what I read was filth, and garbage, and some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. I got an infraction for debating, and have been told countless times today about my impending trip to hell. In fact, one of your true christian followers just said he truly hopes I do go to hell. Then I read some jackass say that effiminate children should be beaten more. I bet there was no infraction for that one. None of what you people have said today in this thread is Christian. It's blasphemous, racist, hateful blabbering by a bunch of self-righteous, incredibly immature and under educated jerks. Ban me forever, and by the way, thanks for the new name, very clever.
Yours Truly,
The Closest Thing To A Christian on This Site
Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done
abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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