[Meek and Humble]

Hello friend. Thank you for your questions. I will try to answer you to the best of my ability.

Originally Posted by showlove

My father is a pastor and i have worked in a church all my life. I thought that God wants us to show love to all of his creation.

Doesn't the Bible say to love your neighbor?

Yes. Does that mean to lie to him and tell him what he wants to hear? No.


It means to tell him the truth, and warn him to flee from the wrath to come. As we are commanded in Leviticus 19:17, "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him." Here, loving your neighbour is defined as rebuking him, and not allowing sin to come upon him. Further, we have never suggested that we don't love our neighbor. We're not saying "We hate MCR" - we're saying "God hates MCR." The purest, most exalted form of love is to tell people the truth, especially about weighty matters such as life and death, sin, righteousness, judgment to come, Heaven and Hell.


But remember, David said: "Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? Am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them mine enemies." Psalm 139:21, 22. David hated God's enemies with a perfect, spiritual hatred (as opposed to the fickle human emotion of hatred), just as all of God's elect do.

I also thought that it is not man's job to judge or condemn othors or you will be judged and condemned to the same degree by God himself.

If you think the Bible forbids judging others, then you haven't read it. The Bible forbids superficial judgment based on appearances and it forbids hypocrisy, but it does not forbid judgment. On the contrary, the saved are commanded to pass judgment on others.

Lev 19:15 In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I Cor 5:12-13 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I Cor 6:2-3 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Liberal Christians frequently take Matthew 7:1 out of context by claiming that it is prohibition against judging others. The full context is Matthew 7:1-5, and it is a prohibition against hypocrisy.

Perhaps you should read Matthew 7:1-5 more closely. Particularly verse 5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Jesus does not say, "Go on with the beam in your eye, and ignore the mote." He says first, STOP SINNING, and then, TELL YOUR BROTHER TO STOP SINNING TOO!

Our job is to find folks who are lost and to try to get them saved. That job would be made a lot harder if I were unable to judge who is lost and in need of salvation.

I thought that our role in God's kingdom is to minister to others while displaying his amazing, undying, and all together indescribable love for all of his creation.

Um, since when did the Bible say God loved all of creation?

Leviticus 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Proverbs 6:16, 19 These six things doth the LORD hate ... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Hosea 9:15 I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

I hope this has been helpful

[geeWay]

Originally Posted by Heathen_Basher

Hello friend. Thank you for your questions. I will try to answer you to the best of my ability.



Doesn't the Bible say to love your neighbor?

Yes. Does that mean to lie to him and tell him what he wants to hear? No.


It means to tell him the truth, and warn him to flee from the wrath to come. As we are commanded in Leviticus 19:17, "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him." Here, loving your neighbour is defined as rebuking him, and not allowing sin to come upon him. Further, we have never suggested that we don't love our neighbor. We're not saying "We hate MCR" - we're saying "God hates MCR." The purest, most exalted form of love is to tell people the truth, especially about weighty matters such as life and death, sin, righteousness, judgment to come, Heaven and Hell.


But remember, David said: "Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? Am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them mine enemies." Psalm 139:21, 22. David hated God's enemies with a perfect, spiritual hatred (as opposed to the fickle human emotion of hatred), just as all of God's elect do.

If you think the Bible forbids judging others, then you haven't read it. The Bible forbids superficial judgment based on appearances and it forbids hypocrisy, but it does not forbid judgment. On the contrary, the saved are commanded to pass judgment on others.

Lev 19:15 In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I Cor 5:12-13 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I Cor 6:2-3 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Liberal Christians frequently take Matthew 7:1 out of context by claiming that it is prohibition against judging others. The full context is Matthew 7:1-5, and it is a prohibition against hypocrisy.

Perhaps you should read Matthew 7:1-5 more closely. Particularly verse 5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Jesus does not say, "Go on with the beam in your eye, and ignore the mote." He says first, STOP SINNING, and then, TELL YOUR BROTHER TO STOP SINNING TOO!

Our job is to find folks who are lost and to try to get them saved. That job would be made a lot harder if I were unable to judge who is lost and in need of salvation.

Um, since when did the Bible say God loved all of creation?

Leviticus 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Proverbs 6:16, 19 These six things doth the LORD hate ... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Hosea 9:15 I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

I hope this has been helpful

Wow... What have we ever done to God?!?! NOTHING! Muthapiffleas. All we want is to help people. But people like you make it difficult, we just had protestors follow us around New Years, and guess where they were from?? A baptist church. Leave us alone, please and thank you.

[geeWay]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

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Nice to meet you too.
No, but All EMO's were black

Excpet when they have a single edge razor blade

Of course they do, homers always support homers, and they try to convert more innocent children to thier perverted way of life.

Right-O... I have a brige for sale too!

Not falsely, just not convicted...yet.

Typical of his kind. They act like your friend to suck you into their cult.

Ah, so fashion is what matters, I see.

Listen missy, had you read the entire thread, you'd of found all of your absurd comments have already been answered, several times.

Holy Christ above, you people... Everyone wears black once in a while, for instance, might I add this picture, I do NOT know if the girl labels herself as emo or not, i prefer to think not, but hey I don't know. Gaze upon in wonder as she is dressed in BRIGHT colors!! But with the make-up and hair you all classify as emo. And again with the homosexual sh*t. There are some perfectly normal people who are not emo, but are homosexual. You need to get your standards "straight" my friend.
xo
g

[geeWay]

Originally Posted by TheChurchOfGerardWay

It is appauling that you would discriminate this way, how would your 'god' react, you judge other before you judge yourself, which is disgusting.

You are condemming people to hell for their tastes in music and shunning them based on stereotype, which is rather hypocritical of you when you look deep enough inside yourself, you will find that you are no better than anyone else.

You are probably, a hell of a lot worse. May the judgement be upon you.


I come today with a message or two from our lord, Gerard.

''We'll laugh as we die, and we'll celebrate the end of things, with cheap champagne'' Bullets, 4:20:02

I will take this as live life to the full, enjoy yourself as much as possible, and get tanked up on as much cheap booze as you like.

We have decided to live our lives how we want to, rather than being dictated to from a book.

A book which is just a story, yes. From a great mind, anonymous.

The bible is just that, an elaborate fable. I would rather take notice in any of the MCR lyrics than a jumped up load of trash that is the bible.

GERARD BLESSES YOU.

Oh my God... Please... Don't do that. :[ that's just... Wrong... That book, i'm sorry, is not just a story, and I am NOT a god. I just want to make a difference. I agree with you on discrimination, but I reaaally don't want people to worship me, i am not perfect, trust me... All I want is for people to be happy. So... uh Thank You
xo
g

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by geeWay

Wow... What have we ever done to God?!?! NOTHING! Muthapiffleas. All we want is to help people. But people like you make it difficult, we just had protestors follow us around New Years, and guess where they were from?? A baptist church. Leave us alone, please and thank you.

You go to a Christian forum, make an account and start insulting people and then you say we have to leave you alone?

[geeWay]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

You go to a Christian forum, make an account and start insulting people and then you say we have to leave you alone?

How am I insulting you?
xo
g

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by geeWay

How am I insulting you? xo g

Are you retarded? Since when is "muthapiffleas" meant as a compliment? Is suggesting people should have sex with their mothers nice? Does your mother know about this?

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by geeWay

Wow... What have we ever done to God?!?! NOTHING! Muthapiffleas. All we want is to help people. But people like you make it difficult, we just had protestors follow us around New Years, and guess where they were from?? A baptist church. Leave us alone, please and thank you.

At least we're honest about who we are. You are clearly not the real Gerard Way, and so pretending to be him on the internet is just pathetic.

[geeWay]

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

At least we're honest about who we are. You are clearly not the real Gerard Way, and so pretending to be him on the internet is just pathetic.

Sure thing. Whatever you say, but what if I am the real Gerard Way? And maybe I decided to sue your church or! I could expose the abusive-pedophiles you really are?
xo
g

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

Are you retarded? Since when is "muthapiffleas" meant as a compliment? Is suggesting people should have sex with their mothers nice? Does your mother know about this?

I wouldn't want to have sex with his mother because I think she has fleas.

[geeWay]

Originally Posted by Nobar King

I wouldn't want to have sex with his mother because I think she has fleas.

That's my Mother! Go p*ffle the crankyoldman and leave my mama alone! That is where I draw the line. I love my mom, shes in my opinion the best mom ever. You psychopaths. Really? And the term mothep*fflers is meaning to p*ffle my mother. Gosh.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by geeWay

That's my Mother! Go p*ffle the crankyoldman and leave my mama alone! That is where I draw the line. I love my mom, shes in my opinion the best mom ever. You psychopaths. Really? And the term mothep*fflers is meaning to p*ffle my mother. Gosh.

Sorry you couldn't stay, geeSpot. You were really adding value to the conversation.

[Howdumbcanyouget]

Wow, are you all retarded? Seriously.. ok, and where the hell did Wicca come in this conversation.. have none of you even bothered to research what Wicca is? Anywho... i don't think it's right, or even christian-like to call people faggs, or anything of the sort. Emo is a style of music, and it also stands for EMOTIONAL.. that means they actually express their emotions, unlike alot of people who bottle it up. You're all tards.

[Wide-Open]

Originally Posted by Howdumbcanyouget

EMOTIONAL.. that means they actually express their emotions

Friend, shooting a bunch of students is not "expressing your emotion".

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Howdumbcanyouget

Wow, are you all retarded? Seriously.. ok, and where the hell did Wicca come in this conversation.. have none of you even bothered to research what Wicca is? Anywho... i don't think it's right, or even christian-like to call people faggs, or anything of the sort. Emo is a style of music, and it also stands for EMOTIONAL.. that means they actually express their emotions, unlike alot of people who bottle it up. You're all tards.

What a load of rubbish! Only idiots who "bottle things up" engage in the sort of emotional expression associsted with EMO .
..and they have to be idiots as well: no normal person who "bottled things up" would do such ridiculous bizarre
and downright dangerous things as EMO's do!

An emotional response is generally thought of as an uncontrolled response.
It is what happens when people repress natural feelings. Christians never do that.

Demonic EMO insinuates unnatural feelings, through post-hypnotic suggestion in music and other media, which - when "bottled up" or repressed - eventually give rise to uncontrolled EMOtional outbursts of the type common in mental hospitals. Or were until some maniac suggested "care in the community"

[MCRmynPervert]

Alright, i just had to say something after reading all of this. First, it's very interesting to read how "Christians" say such horrible things. I've been a Christian my whole life and my father is a pastor. I LOVE MCR and they are not about death, they have songs that seem that way, but have a deeper meaning. "Welcome to the Black Parade" is about cancer, and about how we shouldn't worry about death because we're gonna be OK. In their new song, they say "and they scream out, 'what will save us?' and the sky opened up" That doesn't sound anti-religious to me at all, but all people are entitled unto their own opinion. But spreading HATE and messages of HELL is just wrong. Did Jesus not want us to LOVE another? That our sin is just as bad as someone who murdered someone? Only difference is that we are forgiven, and Jesus WANTS to forgive them. Mikey is Catholic and Gerarde is a Christian i believe.
Anyways, I'm not trying to get mad, or upset anyone, I just wanted to state my opinion, thank you!
P.S. I'm NOT emo, and I never will be, (not that there's anything wrong with them, they're just like us, misunderstood.) and i'm not a 'homo' either. I love Jesus because He loved us first and wants us to be happy with Him, and this forum is not very happy (:
God bless you, and have a wonderful day!

[The Saint]

I'm not a big fan of MCR either. I like Barney and Friends, though.

Some good classical music, if you don't want rock.



And well, death is just as ok as life. You need balance. God created life and death, so people are naturally going to overcome a silly fear of a natural cause... -.-
It's the death of your machine (the body) and then the soul goes to live on.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by MCRmynLove

Alright, i just had to say something after reading all of this. First, it's very interesting to read how "Christians" say such horrible things. I've been a Christian my whole life and my father is a pastor.

Is that so? What church is he a pastor at?

But spreading HATE and messages of HELL is just wrong. Did Jesus not want us to LOVE another? That our sin is just as bad as someone who murdered someone? Only difference is that we are forgiven, and Jesus WANTS to forgive them.

How is warning others if they continue with their sin that they will perish in Hell not love? Wouldn't it be much more cynical and hateful if we lied to people and said everything will be alright if they continue to wallow in their sin, only for them to end up in Hell? Why would you want to do that to another human being? It's false Christians like you that pervert Jesus's words.

Mikey is Catholic and Gerarde is a Christian i believe.

Catholics are not Christians. Neither is Gerarde, for if he was a Christian, he wouldn't be spreading Satan worship and encouraging gullible teenage girls like you into cutting yourselves.

[MCRmynPervert]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Is that so? What church is he a pastor at?



How is warning others if they continue with their sin that they will perish in Hell not love? Wouldn't it be much more cynical and hateful if we lied to people and said everything will be alright if they continue to wallow in their sin, only for them to end up in Hell? Why would you want to do that to another human being? It's false Christians like you that pervert Jesus's words.



Catholics are not Christians. Neither is Gerarde, for if he was a Christian, he wouldn't be spreading Satan worship and encouraging gullible teenage girls like you into cutting yourselves.

I'd rather not say seeing as it's a smallish church, and i don't want to give away where i live.

Warning them by telling them they're going to hell in a cruel, un-kind way is hate. Jesus didn't want us to hate, He wanted us to LOVE one another.

God dosen't want us to judge one another it's wrong, and it's HIS place to do so. What's wrong with Catholics? Yes some of their beliefs are wrong, but they still know there's a God, i'm not saying that'll get them into Heaven, but it's a start. And why are you accusing me of false Christianity? Because I think Jesus wants us to love and be kind? Right, sorry!

[MCRmynPervert]

I'm sorry Mr. Osborne, but i just have a hard time understanding on how you can hate so much...the only hate we should express is to sin, and this sir, is not sin. It's a darker type of music, yes, but it does have a happy side, telling people not to fret about things. (: I've been a fan for years, and never have I wanted to be 'goth' or 'emo'. (:
God bless you sir