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Default Re: Apology offered to and asked of BTB and Zeke - 04-30-2007, 12:30 AM

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Then you cannot possibly believe in any so-called "personal god", that is, one with whom you can interact.

ANY "personal god" who was in charge of the world, no matter what name you give the deity, had to know of and either cause or permit the Holocaust.

So I take it you do not pray to anything?

I don't engage in petitionary prayer, if that's what you mean.
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Default Re: Apology offered to and asked of BTB and Zeke - 04-30-2007, 12:33 AM

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Friend, the Holocaust is just proof of how much God loves His hellbound Jewish children. He promised them the land of Israel, but He knew that international opinion would never stand for the yids just marching into the Holy Land and slaughtering every raghead in their path like in the good old days, so He sent Hitler as a gift to the Jews, knowing the holocaust would earn them enough sympathy to do whatever they like. Nowadays, He continues to show His benevolence towards them by sending them a steady stream of sand negro suicide bombers, thus meaning that they don't have to negotiate about giving up their land. Isn't God great?

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If your logic was any more twisted, you could open wine bottles with it.
Naturally, you have insults for our Godly (and Gentle) Brother Temperance, but no alternate explanations.

Truly, you atheists' rudeness and insensitivity knows no bounds. He's probably crying right now, reading your personal attacks.
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Default Re: Apology offered to and asked of BTB and Zeke - 04-30-2007, 12:41 AM

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Naturally, you have insults for our Godly (and Gentle) Brother Temperance, but no alternate explanations.

Truly, you atheists' rudeness and insensitivity knows no bounds. He's probably crying right now, reading your personal attacks.

Jews and Muslims hold some of the same ground to be holy ground. They've been fighting over it for how long now? And neither side has yet won. So how is that God delivering it to them?
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Jews and Muslims hold some of the same ground to be holy ground. They've been fighting over it for how long now? And neither side has yet won. So how is that God delivering it to them?
God's ways are mysterious indeed. However..
DO YOU BLASPHEME GOD BY DENYING HIS OMNIPOTENCE??


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God's ways are mysterious indeed. However..
DO YOU BLASPHEME GOD BY DENYING HIS OMNIPOTENCE??

Blasphemy depends on belief. You consider it blasphemy to say I have doubts regarding the existence of an omnipotent god. I don't.
Muslims consider it blasphemy for you to say that Jesus was the son of God. You don't.
Blasphemy is relative.
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Blasphemy depends on belief. You consider it blasphemy to say I have doubts regarding the existence of an omnipotent god. I don't.
Muslims consider it blasphemy for you to say that Jesus was the son of God. You don't.
Blasphemy is relative.
Good attempt at dodging the question with useless filler, trying to appear wise.

And so you must believe there are no truths then?
Surely, since God exists, something equals blasphemy to Him?

Let me rephrase the question:
Do you, or don't you, believe in God as being omnipotent?
Do you believe that God created the universe?


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Default Re: Apology offered to and asked of BTB and Zeke - 04-30-2007, 01:29 AM

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Let me rephrase the question:
Do you, or don't you, believe in God as being omnipotent?
Do you believe that God created the universe?
I have doubts.
If God is omnipotent, then he abuses his power greatly.
And the big bang theory makes more sense to me than a supernatural being speaking the world into existence in six 24-hour days.
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I have doubts.
If God is omnipotent, then he abuses his power greatly.
How are you to judge that?
Do you know everything, or could it be so that you are too flawed (you are only human after all) to make correct judgement concering His actions?

Have you never even considered that?
Because that's the way it is, the truth is that humans are simply too imperfect to fully grasp God's greatness.

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And the big bang theory makes more sense to me than a supernatural being speaking the world into existence in six 24-hour days.
Something coming into existance from out of nowhere and then exploding without any cause whatsoever...
That makes sense?


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Something coming into existance from out of nowhere and then exploding without any cause whatsoever...
That makes sense?

How is that any different than a god bringing it into existence out of nowhere? And how exactly did a god get there? Where did he/she/it come from?
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I have doubts.
If God is omnipotent, then he abuses his power greatly.
And the big bang theory makes more sense to me than a supernatural being speaking the world into existence in six 24-hour days.
How can God, creator of the Universe (and therefore its owner), "abuse" His power?
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How can God, creator of the Universe (and therefore its owner), "abuse" His power?

By using it maliciously. Legally, I own my cat. But it would be an abuse of my power as her owner to withhold food from her, or to deliberately expose her to an infectious disease, or to kill her outright simply because I felt like it at the moment.
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By using it maliciously. Legally, I own my cat. But it would be an abuse of my power as her owner to withhold food from her, or to deliberately expose her to an infectious disease, or to kill her outright simply because I felt like it at the moment.
You did not create your cat.

If you make a clay pot, it is well within your "rights" to break it, or remold it.
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Jews and Muslims hold some of the same ground to be holy ground. They've been fighting over it for how long now? And neither side has yet won. So how is that God delivering it to them?
Who runs Israel? Is it the JOOs, or is it the Mudswines? The Jews are continually expanding their territory, enjoy a first-world standard of living (except for all the explosive Arabs), and have US military support which means they can engage in their ancient pastime of goy-killing as much as they like, while the Palestinians live in mud huts and have yet to discover any leisure activities that don't involve blowing themselves up. I'd say it's pretty clear who's won.
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How is that any different than a god bringing it into existence out of nowhere?
Yes, there's no difference at all between something happening for no reason at all, and something happening for a reason, is there? Think about it like this: Imagine you baked a pie (of course, you've already admitted to having wildly deficient home-making skills, so you'll have to use your imagination here), and then turned around for five minutes, and it'd disappeared into thin air. Inexplicable, isn't it? Now, imagine there was a wild negro in the area. Case solved. Friend, GOD is like that wild negro: without Him, things just wouldn't make any sense at all.
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By using it maliciously. Legally, I own my cat. But it would be an abuse of my power as her owner to withhold food from her, or to deliberately expose her to an infectious disease, or to kill her outright simply because I felt like it at the moment.
Are you not that AIDS-infested witch who bit a chunk out of her cat? That sounds pretty abusive to me.


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Yes, there's no difference at all between something happening for no reason at all, and something happening for a reason, is there? Think about it like this: Imagine you baked a pie (of course, you've already admitted to having wildly deficient home-making skills, so you'll have to use your imagination here), and then turned around for five minutes, and it'd disappeared into thin air. Inexplicable, isn't it? Now, imagine there was a wild negro in the area. Case solved. Friend, GOD is like that wild negro: without Him, things just wouldn't make any sense at all.
Godly words, brother.

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How is that any different than a god bringing it into existence out of nowhere? And how exactly did a god get there? Where did he/she/it come from?
You should read brother Temperance's reply.

But think about it this way:
Do everything need a cause? Cause if so, then nothing could exist.
So either the universe have always existed, or some other eternal thing (ie God) was there to create/cause it!
Cause if you can believe the universe have always existed, then why can't you believe that God could have?

And what is more probable, a ball of matter coming into existance from out of nowhere, and then exploding all over..
Or God creating the universe?

The answer should be very obvious to any SANE person..
So you're being biased here, and you reject Creationism simply because you don't like it.


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Wha? God is like a wild Negro!?

Would that mean that OJ Simpleton and Mike Tyson, those pie-raping, white-woman-stealing Negroes, were created in His image?

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Wha? God is like a wild Negro!?

Would that mean that OJ Simpleton and Mike Tyson, those pie-raping, white-woman-stealing Negroes, were created in His image?

<Checking Gospels for references to Pie at Mary's house>
Those savage jigaboos are clearly nowhere near in the league of Our Lord. OJ Simpson just killed his wife, but didn't bother annihilating everyone in the same city, and I doubt Tyson's ever come up with anything as spectacular or gruesome as this:
Exodus 29:20 Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.

You see, our Lord is like a wild negro, but no wild negro could ever compare to our Lord. Glory!


O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.


God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.
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