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Re: How Should I Kill My Kittens: Drowning Or Smash Their Heads In? -
09-18-2011, 01:33 AM
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This makes me want to vomit
The Bible actually has much to say in regard to animal abuse. In the beginning, God created the earth and all the creatures on it to be under the authority of humanity. He entrusted these beautiful elements of His creation to our care (Genesis 1:26). Our sinful nature causes us to abuse the animal kingdom, sometimes without even realizing it. Yet, God expects the Christian, above all others, to be sensitive to all of His creation, knowing that exploiting or abusing it shows a disrespect for God Himself. Abuse of anything that God made is not the character of God, but rather of the Evil One.
In Deuteronomy 22:6-7, God promises a long life to those who will watch over wild birds. If we rape the land or the creatures in it, what will sustain us in the future? He allows for the taking of eggs, but commands that we release the mother bird to continue living in the wild and reproducing as He intended. In Job 38:41, God says that He hears the cries of newborn ravens crying to Him for food. Jesus went on to say that God supplies food for the wild birds and that not one of them falls to the ground without Him knowing it
this also goes for those of you who want to mindlessly hunt coyotes
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What does ANY of that have to do with God's law which I clearly cited in the original post?
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11-27-2011, 09:24 AM
I know I'm pretty late and you've probably killed those poor things by now but...
They're kittens. They're infant cats. Cats are not evil. They are not "witches" or "demons". They're just living things that will be forced to suffer painfully because of your crazed practises.
If you people had lived in medieval times, I'd say your beliefs would be pretty interesting. But NOW? Oh god, this is sad.
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1. Your kid was either dumb enough to annoy/attack the cat (It's just like you get annoyed at people's existance, you bash them)
2. It was playful bite. Animals do that.
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11-27-2011, 10:31 AM
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I know I'm pretty late and you've probably killed those poor things by now but...
They're kittens. They're infant cats. Cats are not evil. They are not "witches" or "demons". They're just living things that will be forced to suffer painfully because of your crazed practises.
If you people had lived in medieval times, I'd say your beliefs would be pretty interesting. But NOW? Oh god, this is sad.
Btw,
1. Your kid was either dumb enough to annoy/attack the cat (It's just like you get annoyed at people's existance, you bash them)
2. It was playful bite. Animals do that.
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You must remember that animals do not know they are suffering and cannot feel pain. God has not given them the ability to feel these things.
Christian apologist William Lane Craig has summed it up well,
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So Christian theologians of all stripes have to face the challenge posed by animal pain. Here recent studies in biology have provided surprising, new insights into this old problem. In his book Nature Red in Tooth and Claw: Theism and the Problem of Animal Suffering, Michael Murray distinguishes three levels in an ascending pain hierarchy (read from the bottom up):
Level 3: a second order awareness that one is oneself experiencing (2).
Level 2: a first order, subjective experience of pain.
Level 1: information-bearing neural states produced by noxious stimuli resulting in aversive behavior.
Spiders and insects--the sort of creatures most exhibiting the kinds of behavior mentioned by Ayala--experience (1). But there's no reason at all to attribute (2) to such creatures. It's plausible that they aren't sentient beings at all with some sort of subjective, interior life. That sort of experience plausibly does not arise until one gets to the level of vertebrates in the animal kingdom. But even though animals like dogs, cats, and horses experience pain, nevertheless the evidence is that they do not experience level (3), the awareness that they are in pain. For the awareness that one is oneself in pain requires self-awareness, which is centered in the pre-frontal cortex of the brain--a section of the brain which is missing in all animals except for the humanoid primates. Thus, amazingly, even though animals may experience pain, they are not aware of being in pain. God in His mercy has apparently spared animals the awareness of pain. This is a tremendous comfort to us pet owners. For even though your dog or cat may be in pain, it really isn't aware of it and so doesn't suffer as you would if you were in pain.
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My dog was hit by a car a few days ago and this information has saved me a fortune on veterinary bills. Although the neighbors are concerned about the howling from our shed I have explained that it will stop in a day or two.
Just think of all the money that is wasted stunning animals in slaughter houses. Also to speed up the whole meat process maybe live butchery could be introduced.
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11-28-2011, 08:34 PM
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You must remember that animals do not know they are suffering and cannot feel pain. God has not given them the ability to feel these things.
My dog was hit by a car a few days ago and this information has saved me a fortune on veterinary bills. Although the neighbors are concerned about the howling from our shed I have explained that it will stop in a day or two.
Just think of all the money that is wasted stunning animals in slaughter houses. Also to speed up the whole meat process maybe live butchery could be introduced.
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I pity the Atheists that pay for their execution of their pets. When a runt is born in a litter at my home (we breed our own dogs, originally for fox hunting), me or my father would just crush its skull by stepping on him with our working boots. Much cheaper.
My mother would try it to, but we don't trust her to do a thorough job. She is a woman after all.
To answer the the original question, even though I'm sure it's not needed anymore, I would stone them. Better yet, ask your children to do it, to introduce them to the duties described in the Bible.
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11-28-2011, 08:59 PM
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You must remember that animals do not know they are suffering and cannot feel pain. God has not given them the ability to feel these things.
Christian apologist William Lane Craig has summed it up well,
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Has Mr. Craig tested this with Negroes?
It's entirely possible their cries of agony when being flogged (much like a dog being kicked) are purely reflexive, and, as Mr. Craig says, they don't actually understand that they are in pain.
That'd pretty well undercut the whole "anti-slavery" argument, no?
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11-28-2011, 11:01 PM
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Has Mr. Craig tested this with Negroes?
It's entirely possible their cries of agony when being flogged (much like a dog being kicked) are purely reflexive, and, as Mr. Craig says, they don't actually understand that they are in pain.
That'd pretty well undercut the whole "anti-slavery" argument, no?
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ModestMartin here, interesting viewpoint.
I think a squirrel is probably the holiest of animals, I have sacrificed many animals at my altar at my residence and this is the only animal that has not squealed.
God rest your soul, young squirrel.
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11-28-2011, 11:06 PM
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ModestMartin here, interesting viewpoint.
I think a squirrel is probably the holiest of animals, I have sacrificed many animals at my altar at my residence and this is the only animal that has not squealed.
God rest your soul, young squirrel.
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Are you suggesting that the temporary sacrifice of Jesus Christ was somehow insufficient to ensure the eternal forgiveness of His believers?
Logic dictates that Jesus Christ temporarily died on a cross, therefore my sins are forgiven whether or not I sacrifice animals in accordance with God's word.
You should repent of this blasphemy immediately.
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11-28-2011, 11:08 PM
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11-29-2011, 12:42 AM
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ModestMartin here, interesting viewpoint.
I think a squirrel is probably the holiest of animals, I have sacrificed many animals at my altar at my residence and this is the only animal that has not squealed.
God rest your soul, young squirrel.
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11-29-2011, 02:06 AM
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ModestMartin here, interesting viewpoint.
I think a squirrel is probably the holiest of animals, I have sacrificed many animals at my altar at my residence and this is the only animal that has not squealed.
God rest your soul, young squirrel.
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12-01-2011, 04:28 AM
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I know I'm pretty late and you've probably killed those poor things by now but...
They're kittens. They're infant cats. Cats are not evil. They are not "witches" or "demons". They're just living things that will be forced to suffer painfully because of your crazed practises.
If you people had lived in medieval times, I'd say your beliefs would be pretty interesting. But NOW? Oh god, this is sad.
Btw,
1. Your kid was either dumb enough to annoy/attack the cat (It's just like you get annoyed at people's existance, you bash them)
2. It was playful bite. Animals do that.
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I don't see anywhere in your post where you addressed the Biblical passages that commanded me to kill my ex-kittens. Could you please stay on-topic and explain to me why I should disobey God?
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12-03-2011, 08:09 AM
You are all sick-minded doesnt it say to respect Gods creation, not to kill it because it scratched your kid and also that is animal abuse
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You are all sick-minded doesnt it say to respect Gods creation, not to kill it because it scratched your kid and also that is animal abuse
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Where exactly does it say to "respect Gods (sic) creation" friend? My Bible mentions "dominion" as I recall.
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12-03-2011, 08:55 AM
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You are all sick-minded doesnt it say to respect Gods creation, not to kill it because it scratched your kid and also that is animal abuse
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Animal abuse?? Why would you come on to a Christian website and then talk about secular values?
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You are all sick-minded doesnt it say to respect Gods creation, not to kill it because it scratched your kid and also that is animal abuse
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I am so sorry. I drowned them as soon as the pastors counseled me to do so. However, I decided to make it a teaching moment and I made it into a Noah's Ark project for my children. The older children made some scale models of a seaside village while the younger kids dressed up their baby-dolls to be the village children. We took the model down to Landover Swim Club #3 one sunny day. (All the swim clubs are closed for the winter, but #3 leaves the water in for baptisms.)
I told my children that since Snowball, Mr. Meow Mix, and the others had behaved badly, the Bible clearly orders us to either stone them or drown them. Some kids started looking for pebbles immediately and were a tad disappointed when I called them back from the bushes and informed them that we would be drowning them. But when I told them that we would be using all the props they had built to recreate the Story of Noah and The Flood, they rejoiced.
With my seven children gathered around, I retold them the story of Noah and The Flood. They hung on every word as I described how God had decided that He had somehow messed up (as was His plan) and all of humanity and animality had become naughty save for eight good people. God told Noah to start building an ark and pack every animal kind in pairs to last a year. (Some people think it was 40 days and nights, but that was just the duration of the rain. The Ark was adrift for a whole year. Think of the miracles involved in keeping every species alive on a boat TOGETHER for a YEAR! God is truly Great!)
Then we put the mock village into the beach entrance part of the pool and put the kittens into a basket by the village. The basket has narrow slats on the side so we could clearly see the kittens inside and a lid that I had sealed shut. One of my littlest girls started crying when she realized her pets were about to drown slowly in front of her. She said she loved Mr Twinkle and Snowball and the rest and didn't want them to die. I pointed out to her that she was going against God and that she had better change her tune if she didn't want to go to Hell. She thought for a moment and with a visible shudder seemed to change, harden somehow, right in front of me. Her eyes grew narrow and her face turned almost vicious (if not for he two missing front teeth, I would have been scared!) and she pointed an accusing finger at the kittens and screamed at the top of her voice, "NAUGHTY KITTIES!! GOD WANTS YOU TO DIE AND GO TO KITTY HELL!!!" I thought to myself, "THIS is what True Christianity™ is all about...saving your children from the path to sin." I thanked God right then and there.
The rest was easy...we turned on the fill-pipe by the diving board and sat and watched as the water rose over the "village" and swept away the baby dolls we had dressed up as village children. Soon, it started to fill the basket. As the cats realized what was happening, they scrabbled over one another, fighting to get on top and breath from what little room was left. I must say that Princess had more fight in her than I had suspected, but in the end, it was Snowball who lasted the longest. He would push the other kittens down and stand on their heads till they stopped writhing in agony. By doing this, he created a little kitty corpse raft that he could float on. It was at least two-deep in limp kitten bodies and held him quite nicely.
While all of this was going on, I pointed out to my children the joy of what we were witnessing. I told them that THIS was exactly what it must have been for the millions of people that God drowned in the Flood. Women and children scrambling for high ground, not knowing how to survive. Parents screaming in terror as their children and babies were swept away form them or dragged under by currents and drowned right in front of their eyes. Children clinging to playthings as their parents' lifeless bodies kept them company on makeshift rafts of floating debris. God's love is so great that he was willing to start the human race over by wiping out the sinners.
Caroline, my youngest, asked, "Daddy, were there babies that God killed in the flood?"
"Of course," I replied.
"Were there little girls like me?"
"Absolutely!" I answered. "Anyone that was naughty!"
"Why did God kill them? Why didn't he just kill the naughty grown ups? How could little babies and children know what to do to make it so God wouldn't kill them? How could a two week old baby be evil?"
"God works in mysterious ways," I said. "But I know this: There were eight people who did everything God told them to do. Those eight people...those eight who never questioned God's laws...They lived... Everyone else died. Now....what should you do every day...every minute of your life?"
"Obey God?"
"Right! And where has God written down his rules?
"In the Bible!" she said, now grinning since she could tell she was giving me the answers that I wanted.
"Good girl!"
"I love you Daddy and I will do everything the Bible tells me to do. i don't want to drown like naughty Tabitha and Mr. Whiskers are!!!" the other children nodded in agreement.
After that, we sat and watched. Eventually, even the mighty Snowball had to succumb to the rising water. After he was floating limp, still on his raft of dead siblings, I had the kids gather the props and bag the bodies.
Heading home, I had to admit to myself that this was my proudest moment EVER of my life as a True Christian™ parent.
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12-05-2011, 03:58 AM
Thank you mr Reproba for your moving tale, you are a model for every Christian parent, I can only hope to educate my children as well as you have educated yours.
Do you think it would be a good idea for when you have more children to save perhaps one kitten and sacrifice it later, like Noah did with one of each of the clean animals he brought on the ark? When Noah burned those last few animals God enjoyed the smell and decided to save the earth from future complete flooding, it shows that despite God just having wiped out an entire planet it still matters what we do, even though He is obviously much more capable than us and could have killed the animals Himself, had He wanted to do so.
Genesis 8:20-21
And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Leviticus 26:15-16
And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
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12-05-2011, 04:44 AM
What a wonderful retelling of the biblical flood. You really have brought the story to life (and death). Since kittens are so easy to breed it could be done on a regular basis as part of our home schooling program. It's a great way to show the power of God. My youngest daughter has just read it and she is so overcome with joy that she has tears streaming down her little face.
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12-05-2011, 05:40 AM
Brother Jack, I couldn't agree more. Brother Gabriel's story was so touching that I was moved to read it in its entirety at the dinner table tonight. The joyous and emotional outpouring from my children was enough to rattle the windows!
I've never been much for cats, but this entire episode is making me rethink that stance.
Mr. Reproba, bravo to you sir, BRAVO!
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12-05-2011, 07:26 AM
Now that winter is coming, he is one tip. Just put the kittens in a box and leave it outside for a day or two. I have found this easiest way, you can then just bury the kittens in the same box.
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