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Default Re: We are SO Lucky to be Male - 06-03-2017, 07:38 PM

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^^ Asexual...
Jesus hates you: https://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=84162

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...^ That was aimed at those who choose to have sex but then run away from the consequences that might arise.
You mean like crying rape when the check bounces? Or Daddy finds out?


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Default Re: We are SO Lucky to be Male - 06-04-2017, 01:24 AM

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But without circular saws, you wouldn't be able to build your churches etc,
In your previous post you stated that circular saws were invented merely 200 years ago.


Are you suggesting that there are were no churches built before that time?


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In your previous post you stated that circular saws were invented merely 200 years ago.


Are you suggesting that there are were no churches built before that time?





Meh. Google "naru literature." 2000 BC.
There were churches before then, but not the modern types such as megachurches etc. The one I got blessed in looks like it could be a few hundred years old.
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There were churches before then, but not the modern types such as megachurches etc. The one I got blessed in looks like it could be a few hundred years old.
Hi Agnes,

Please stop fooling yourself. Large man-made structures have been built thousands of years ago. Was your church bigger than this:



They even placed a moon in the picture for scale.

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Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.

Best wishes for the people in Ukraine.
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Hi Agnes,

Please stop fooling yourself. Large man-made structures have been built thousands of years ago. Was your church bigger than this:



They even placed a moon in the picture for scale.

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The reason why I said that the one I went to looks to be a few hundred years old is because I do not know the actual age of the building but it's been here longer than US megachurches have. Also, the reason why the moon looks smaller than the pyramid is actually because the pyramid is closer, whereas the moon is far away, which gives it the illusion of being smaller when it is actually bigger, and the illusion you see here is because our atmosphere is a magnifying glass and the moon looks like it is closer than it actually is.

(Fun fact: The moon is so far away that you can put all the planets in the solar system between it and us).

(2nd Fun fact: The first person to suggest that the universe started with a big bang was a Christian pastor who said that there were two roads and both led to the truth, so when Christians go all crazy about science, they're actually promoting double standards).
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The first person to suggest that the universe started with a big bang was a Christian pastor who said that there were two roads and both led to the truth, so when Christians go all crazy about science, they're actually promoting double standards.
That is so true, but those aren't True Christians.

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There are not two roads. There is one road. "Christians" that go crazy for science are, duh, crazy. Christ demands that we reject science at any time that it contradicts God's Word. Waffles are not part of a nutritious breakfast.
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It takes two to tango, but if one person runs away from the responsibilities, then they should be punished. Only in certain circumstances should stuff like abortion be allowed (ie. when the reason is medical), and those of us who don't have medical problems etc and get pregnant but don't want the baby/babies should consider adoption (although that would mean going through with the pregnancy and then childbirth).
So, you are acknowledging that women have no right to make decisions about their own bodies. Well done; we'll make a real Christian out of you yet!

I will pray for you that you accept other aspects of female inferiority as well, and that you repent for all of your sins and accept Jesus into your heart.

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There were churches before then, but not the modern types such as megachurches etc.
I see that you are lacking in education. May I recommend that you travel to Europe and visit some of the Medieval cathedrals there?

I think you will be positively surprised to learn how many gigantic churches were built 800+ years ago and still standing.





They are also impressive when visited inside:

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Another example of why the Lord blessed us as men took place at the Monday night prayer circle at my church last evening. As you know, the weaker s-e-x is taken to gossip - they can't live without it, apparently. This is something with which males are not accursed.
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My KING JAMES BIBLE disagrees.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
This says they're equal.

I'm gonna go with what my bible says, and treat my wife as my equal.
Because she is my equal.
She isn't inferior.
She's God's child.
As am I.
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26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
This says they're equal.

I'm gonna go with what my bible says, and treat my wife as my equal.
Because she is my equal.
She isn't inferior.
She's God's child.
As am I.
Keep reading, sweetie.

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
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This says they're equal.
It doesn't say woman are equal.

All of us that embrace Christ are one, yes. "One" does not mean equal. It means that we are Christians, and saved, without regard to our sex (or other characteristics). I work for my Christian boss, hypothetically. I do not tell him what to do, even though we are one in Christ-- one, yet bond and free nonetheless; one with my wife, say, yet man and woman nonetheless.

And all of us that embrace Christ are the children of Abraham, and God extends the blessing He gave Abraham to us.

But there's nothing there about equality. The literal children of Abraham were not equal. We Christ proclaimed children of Abraham are not equal.

But never mind that for now. It's irrelevant. You and your wife are not even one in Jesus. Because no...

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...she is not.

Not if she considers herself the equal of her husband. Not if you consider her your equal. Neither of you are following God's word.

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But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
To place Christ at the head of the woman is to place the man as Christ; to deny Christ and place God at the head of the man. Are you the equal of Jesus Christ? If you believe you are, you are not Christ's. And if your wife believes that Christ is at her head and not you, then she is not Christ's.

Basillisa has given several other examples. God is unequivocal on this matter, and I could provide countless more. Women are not the equal of men. But even a single example should be enough. Your wife doesn't want to find out what happens when she asks God twice. She shouldn't want to find out what happens when she asks you twice.

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So, you are acknowledging that women have no right to make decisions about their own bodies. Well done; we'll make a real Christian out of you yet!

I will pray for you that you accept other aspects of female inferiority as well, and that you repent for all of your sins and accept Jesus into your heart.



I see that you are lacking in education. May I recommend that you travel to Europe and visit some of the Medieval cathedrals there?

I think you will be positively surprised to learn how many gigantic churches were built 800+ years ago and still standing.





They are also impressive when visited inside:

Well I'm useless at cooking and making decisions etc, and I have to rely on males to help with certain tasks such as lifting heavy objects, although I make up for that by helping them with tasks too, and one will always find me trying to pitch in when DIY is involved (give me a pot of paint, a brush, some wood, and I'll be set for the afternoon or whole day). I'm also good at playing music, and I can find my way around places.
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Default Re: We are SO Lucky to be Male - 06-05-2017, 01:28 PM

I also didn't say that females have no right to choose what happens to their body, although I do believe that those who ask for abortions simply for the sake of it should have their offspring put up for adoption, and that abortions should only be used when there is a medical need for it (one such scenario being a mother who becomes pregnant after years of trying and then finding out that her baby has type 1 primordial dwarfism which comes with lots of health issues and an incredibly short life expectancy).
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Default Re: We are SO Lucky to be Male - 06-05-2017, 03:20 PM

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I also didn't say that females have no right to choose what happens to their body, although I do believe that those who ask for abortions simply for the sake of it should have their offspring put up for adoption,
The non-bold part of your statement is in contradiction to the bold one. The bold one means, that you agree that we have to deny a woman a right to make decisions over her own body, dear.

I will continue praying for you. You seem to be making some first baby steps on your road to redemption!

In no time, we'll have you agreeing that Christianity is the only True Religion and God hates all of those who disagree, and is going to send all of them to Hell.

I am also glad that you decided not to continue your ridiculous claim that there were no large churches built 200 years ago.

If you do decide to travel to Europe someday, you will find that in the old part of the cities there are a lot of them, sometimes it feels like there's one on every block. Way too many, if you consider that both the interior and exterior design of these ancient structures break one of the Ten Commandments.
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Default Re: We are SO Lucky to be Male - 06-05-2017, 03:33 PM

As I am not a historian I can not vouch for the age of this building, I am guessing it is over 200 years.


What do you think Agnes?


Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.

Best wishes for the people in Ukraine.
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The non-bold part of your statement is in contradiction to the bold one. The bold one means, that you agree that we have to deny a woman a right to make decisions over her own body, dear.

I will continue praying for you. You seem to be making some first baby steps on your road to redemption!

In no time, we'll have you agreeing that Christianity is the only True Religion and God hates all of those who disagree, and is going to send all of them to Hell.

I am also glad that you decided not to continue your ridiculous claim that there were no large churches built 200 years ago.

If you do decide to travel to Europe someday, you will find that in the old part of the cities there are a lot of them, sometimes it feels like there's one on every block. Way too many, if you consider that both the interior and exterior design of these ancient structures break one of the Ten Commandments.
In no time, I will still have my own opinions. I'm also British, and I've seen both churches and synagogues on the same road.
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Default Re: We are SO Lucky to be Male - 06-05-2017, 04:49 PM

And, for the record, I've always held that belief when it comes to abortion.
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Default Re: We are SO Lucky to be Male - 06-05-2017, 09:15 PM

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Keep reading, sweetie.

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Read on.
Genesis 1:27-31King James Version (KJV)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.






We are both created in his image.
Not "Man was created superior to woman."
Our value is derived from who's image we were created in.
It says nothing about our value being in which gender we are born as.




Also, check out Matthew 15:9
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Jesus said this.
In his very words, he said that teaching that the commands of men are doctrines to be followed, makes worshiping him vain.


The commands of men are not doctrines. Neither are the commands of women.




Also, you are twisting God's word.
You left out Ephesians 5:21. You only included the verses after.
Ephesians 5:20-21King James Version (KJV)

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.



Husbands are to submit to their wives, and their wives to them.
Also, with your verses, let's go to Ephesians 5:25.
Ephesians 5:25King James Version (KJV)

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;



How should Husbands love their wives?


Jesus models with his life, what love meant.
He gave everything for the world, and even died for it.
And when it says be the head of the household?
The same thing.
Jesus was the head of the church.
He gave everything to help it.
It isn't saying Men are superior.
It's giving them a responsibility to take care of their family.
Not control them.




Women on here, realize that some of the men on here are twisting God's love.
Jesus loves you as his equal.
You are not inferior.
Men are suppose to love and protect you, to make you feel safe and to help you in your walk with God.
Not to force you to produce children, and serve their every whim.


Jesus did not force the church to serve him. He served them, while the church submitted to them.
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Bible Re: We are SO Lucky to be Male - 06-05-2017, 11:58 PM

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First, I want to thank and congratulate you. You are the first visitor in quite a while who is actually mentally capable of engaging in a stimulating discourse, instead of just throwing temper tantrums like the 99%.

So thank you for this great opportunity to discuss the Word of God.

Now, moving on to the specifics.

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Genesis 1:27-31King James Version (KJV)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
I have cut out the rest of the passage as the rest relates to the fact that both male and female humans are superior to every other being on earth, and does not relate to the issue we're discussing - of female inferiority.

Of interest in this passage is the switching between plural and singular.

God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him

Male singular. We can argue that "man" includes both male and female, but what follows is the singular male pronoun. We can safely assume that God created only the male version of human in His own image, especially when we look at the rest of the verse:

male and female created he them.

Only now we see a plural pronoun, and it's in the sentence which only references the act of creation and not the fact of being an image of God.

We might wait for Dr. White to weigh in with his linguistic knowledge about the Hebrew original (Paging Dr. White... Paging Dr. White!) (I always wanted to say this), but in the meantime, it's safe to assume that only males are God's image. Which is kinda logical given that God is male, not female. Duh.

But since we're already in Genesis, let's keep reading. Genesis chapter 2 recounts the creation story again, emphasizing the fact that a male human was created first, and the female was more of an afterthought:

Genesis 2:
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

We can only speculate how humans were supposed to multiply without females, probably through mitosis? Anyway, once God decided to create a female, He made the female as a help meet for the male. A sidekick, if you will. A little helper (just like your nickname).


Let's keep reading Genesis, it's really enlightening. Chapter 3 tells the story of Eve being tempted by one of God's finest creations, the Serpent (Genesis 3:1). Long story short, Adam and Eve are kicked out of the garden, and since the woman is the one who ate first and served the fruit to her husband, her subservient role is further reinforced:

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Basically, all women keep paying for Eve's original sin. In comfortable monthly payments, plus painful labor. In addition to paying our debt with pain to God, we are also slaves of our fathers and later husbands.

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We are both created in his image.
Not "Man was created superior to woman."
Our value is derived from who's image we were created in.
It says nothing about our value being in which gender we are born as.
We have already covered this, but one more thing: technically, we are born with sex, not gender, as gender roles, as well as acceptable numbers of genders, vary from culture to culture and from time to time, and it's a real mess if you ask me. So let's just keep things simple and talk about sex, not gender, of individuals

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Also, check out Matthew 15:9
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Jesus said this.
In his very words, he said that teaching that the commands of men are doctrines to be followed, makes worshiping him vain.

The commands of men are not doctrines. Neither are the commands of women.
You seem to follow a rather unorthodox interpretation of this verse. If you read this verse in context (starting with Matthew 5:7), it means that Jesus despises people who just say that they follow Him but really don't follow His Words but commandments made by people (rather than commandments given by God).

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Also, you are twisting God's word.
You left out Ephesians 5:21. You only included the verses after.
Ephesians 5:20-21King James Version (KJV)

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Husbands are to submit to their wives, and their wives to them.
No, because these verses do not apply to a married couple, but to all Christians within a community. Again, read the verse in context, which in this case would be reading the whole Letter to Ephesians.

The case of marriage is a very specific case, and Paul does not begin to discuss it in this letter before Ephesians 5:22.

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Also, with your verses, let's go to Ephesians 5:25.
Ephesians 5:25King James Version (KJV)

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Very good! I was wondering if you would find your way to this verse, I'm impressed!

Think of it this way. Parents love their children - yet underage children are under the power of their parents. The parents are superior (in knowledge, skills, experience, power), children are subservient. Parents give orders to children, not the other way around.

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How should Husbands love their wives?

Jesus models with his life, what love meant.
He gave everything for the world, and even died for it.
And when it says be the head of the household?
The same thing.
Jesus was the head of the church.
He gave everything to help it.
It isn't saying Men are superior.
It's giving them a responsibility to take care of their family.
Not control them.
I like your example, that men are to women as Jesus is to people, and it is, as you noted, taken directly from the Bible.

Jesus gives orders to people how we should live our lives.
Men give orders to women on how we should live our lives.

Jesus punishes people who don't follow His orders.
Men punish women who don't follow their orders.

Jesus makes the decision what's right and what's wrong.
Men make decisions what's right and what's wrong.

Jesus is the Ultimate Provider who died for our sins.
Men provide for their families while women stay at home.

People have to obey Jesus out of fear of Hell.
Women have to obey their men (husbands, fathers) out of fear of punishment.

Jesus makes people suffer as He pleases, giving cancer to little kids.
Men make women suffer as they please, beating them up if the soup was too salty, or just because they feel like it.

Now, if you don't want to see the inequality within the relation between men-women and Jesus-people, I don't care.

Just please remember that you have to do what Jesus wants you to do - not the other way around - if you don't want to suffer in Hell forever.

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Men are suppose to love and protect you, to make you feel safe and to help you in your walk with God.
You see?! Even you are admitting that we females are too feeble minded to feel safe on our own, to protect ourselves, and to walk with God on our own!

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Not to force you to produce children, and serve their every whim.

Jesus did not force the church to serve him. He served them, while the church submitted to them.
Well... it's either serve Jesus or go to Hell for eternity.

Isn't that a little bit forceful for you, dear?
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Genesis 1:27-31King James Version (KJV)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

. . . .
Read on - indeed, that was before Eve disobeyed God (and then nagged Adam to do the same). God recognized early on the problem with nagging wives and left instructions to put a stop to it.

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- Genesis 3:16


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