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Default Re: Please Pray for Pastor Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Churc - 03-05-2008, 12:59 PM

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Lev. 18:22 says homosexual sex is an abomination, that is not to say having the homosexual syndrome/condition is going to send you to hell. As long as you can stay 100% celibate, repent for your sinful desires, recognise you have had a problem, you can be saved.
And not be effeminate. You forgot one of the biggest issues. No matter how much they work to avoid coming in contact with another man's tallywhacker, those nancyboys can't stop their lisping and mincing around. Not without Jesus' help and some electroshock therapy anyway.


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those nancyboys can't stop their lisping and mincing around.
To be honest, I think Mr. Phelps is a bit of a sissy. Standing around with his signs "God hates fags" and yelling at people. Big deal. It's not like you ever see him chasing a few queers down the road in his pickup truck.
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To be honest, I think Mr. Phelps is a bit of a sissy. Standing around with his signs "God hates fags" and yelling at people. Big deal. It's not like you ever see him chasing a few queers down the road in his pickup truck.
...or throwing a couple of firecrackers into a 'Gay Pride Parade'.
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...or throwing a couple of firecrackers into a 'Gay Pride Parade'.
LOL. Yea, that was pretty funny.

Hey RG, remember that time I threw those smokebombs into the Goth funeral? And the little suicide victim freak's parents started crying like pathetic little fags after you told 'em their son was burning in Hell!

Though it wasn't quite as funny when they arrested us for it.
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Though it wasn't quite as funny when they arrested us for it.
That's a shining example of the kind of hate and persecution we Christians have to deal with. It's part of our everyday lives. I must say, it's very sad that some people seem to lash out and attack us, when we are only trying to help them. They verbally and physically assault US, yet the Police take THEIR side, when we are merely defending ourselves? This is yet another example of how far our World is slipping into Hell. That a loving Christian Church can't protest in peace, without having to worry about being attacked by worthless human trash.

I'm glad I had the strength and resolve to tell that pathetic freak's parents I was quite pleased their son was dead, and that I hoped he was burning in agony in the pits of Hell. Glory!
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And not be effeminate. You forgot one of the biggest issues. No matter how much they work to avoid coming in contact with another man's tallywhacker, those nancyboys can't stop their lisping and mincing around. Not without Jesus' help and some electroshock therapy anyway.
Yes certainly, there are Gays who are like that, and they anger God no doubt. But not all are. It is not a necessary trait, and in the "saved gay" would obviously not be present.

IF Phelps was saying "God hates gay sex and effeminacy!!" It would be spot on, but they just twist his words and say "GOD HATE FAGS". That is hatred, not love. That is false preaching and they are not being Christian. It's just a publicity stunt.
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Default Re: Please Pray for Pastor Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Churc - 03-05-2008, 03:12 PM

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Lev. 18:22 says homosexual sex is an abomination, that is not to say having the homosexual syndrome/condition is going to send you to hell. As long as you can stay 100% celibate, repent for your sinful desires, recognise you have had a problem, you can be saved.

But the westborians say God hates the world and God wants everyone dead and stuff like that, that is actually putting words in God's mouth and false preaching. Denying the New Testament, basically.
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Yes certainly, there are Gays who are like that, and they anger God no doubt. But not all are. It is not a necessary trait, and in the "saved gay" would obviously not be present.

IF Phelps was saying "God hates gay sex and effeminacy!!" It would be spot on, but they just twist his words and say "GOD HATE FAGS". That is hatred, not love. That is false preaching and they are not being Christian. It's just a publicity stunt.
There are certainly homers who are able to "act straight" when they're in public, but once in the privacy of their homes or bath houses, the wrists go immediately limp and the women's clothing goes on.
Reverent Phelps may err on the side of liberalism, but he is correct by saying "God hates fags" as He does indeed, as you mentioned, hate "gay" lustful relations and effeminacy, and all sodomites embrace effeminacy and most are addicted to the carnal aspect.


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There are certainly homers who are able to "act straight" when they're in public, but once in the privacy of their homes or bath houses, the wrists go immediately limp and the women's clothing goes on.
Reverent Phelps may err on the side of liberalism, but he is correct by saying "God hates fags" as He does indeed, as you mentioned, hate "gay" lustful relations and effeminacy, and all sodomites embrace effeminacy and most are addicted to the carnal aspect.
No you're ignoring me.

You can be have the gay condition and not anger God. (Being gay is like a terminal illness). The bible doesn't outlaw the gay, just the gay acts. if you can suppress you can be saved. Phelps would preach that god hates you because you have the condition, which is wrong.
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No you're ignoring me.

You can be have the gay condition and not anger God. (Being gay is like a terminal illness). The bible doesn't outlaw the gay, just the gay acts. if you can suppress you can be saved. Phelps would preach that god hates you because you have the condition, which is wrong.
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You can be have the gay condition and not anger God. (Being gay is like a terminal illness). The bible doesn't outlaw the gay, just the gay acts. if you can suppress you can be saved. Phelps would preach that god hates you because you have the condition, which is wrong.
No, you're ignoring me. The "gay condition" also includes effeminacy. I've listed physical effeminate qualities, but the sheer fact that sodomites are attracted to other men makes them mentally effeminate.
Even putting all that aside, God makes it abundantly clear that you don't have to commit a physical act to commit a sin, you just have to think about it.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And from Jesus' own mouth, a direct quotation from the Lord...

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

You don't think He's saying that it's fine to look at a man with lust, do you?
Here's how you can tell how wrong you are. You have a ring-kissing, Mary-worshipping papist cheering you on. When that happens, it's time to step back and take a look at what you're saying because it's likely going to lead you straight to Hell.


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No, you're ignoring me. The "gay condition" also includes effeminacy. I've listed physical effeminate qualities, but the sheer fact that sodomites are attracted to other men makes them mentally effeminate.
Even putting all that aside, God makes it abundantly clear that you don't have to commit a physical act to commit a sin, you just have to think about it.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And from Jesus' own mouth, a direct quotation from the Lord...

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

You don't think He's saying that it's fine to look at a man with lust, do you?
Here's how you can tell how wrong you are. You have a ring-kissing, Mary-worshipping papist cheering you on. When that happens, it's time to step back and take a look at what you're saying because it's likely going to lead you straight to Hell.
You can have the condition and not be effeminate. As much as it is an effeminate condition on one half, it is a male domination complex on the other. It aint pretty, but it is true.

Objectively if you can nullify your eros in to a state of platonic desire you can be saved. This may be confusing for you Sister as English only has one word for love covering all types of love.
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No you're ignoring me.

You can be have the gay condition and not anger God. (Being gay is like a terminal illness). The bible doesn't outlaw the gay, just the gay acts. if you can suppress you can be saved. Phelps would preach that god hates you because you have the condition, which is wrong.
It's not just about restraint! You must also be pure of heart and mind.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Coveting and committing are the same in God's eyes, Falso. Rev. Phelps is entirely correct.


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You can have the condition and not be effeminate. As much as it is an effeminate condition on one half, it is a male domination complex on the other. It aint pretty, but it is true.

Objectively if you can nullify your eros in to a state of platonic desire you can be saved. This may be confusing for you Sister as English only has one word for love covering all types of love.
"As much as it is an effeminate condition on one half, it is a male domination complex on the other." Where in the Bible does it say only the 100% effeminate are doomed to Hell?
If you can nullify your eros into a state of platonic desire, then you are no longer homosexual as homosexuality is a lustful desire for your own gender. Platonic desire is nothing more than wanting comradery and friendship, and that's something to be encouraged because it is removed from homosexuality.
What you're saying here is that if you are cured of homosexuality, you can be saved. That's something we've been saying for years.
Something else to remember - I may be an addle-headed woman, but I'm well aware of different types of love (I love our rottweiler, but not in the same I way I love my husband, Mr. Whitford, who I love differently than I love Jesus), and I can also recognize when unsaved trash is being patronizing toward me. I'm also a moderator, so I'd like to suggest dropping that patronizing attitude toward not just me but anyone here who has found salvation if you don't wish to see a large amount of infraction points heading your way.


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Default Re: Please Pray for Pastor Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Churc - 03-05-2008, 06:20 PM

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"As much as it is an effeminate condition on one half, it is a male domination complex on the other." Where in the Bible does it say only the 100% effeminate are doomed to Hell?
If you can nullify your eros into a state of platonic desire, then you are no longer homosexual as homosexuality is a lustful desire for your own gender. Platonic desire is nothing more than wanting comradery and friendship, and that's something to be encouraged because it is removed from homosexuality.
What you're saying here is that if you are cured of homosexuality, you can be saved. That's something we've been saying for years.
Something else to remember - I may be an addle-headed woman, but I'm well aware of different types of love (I love our rottweiler, but not in the same I way I love my husband, Mr. Whitford, who I love differently than I love Jesus), and I can also recognize when unsaved trash is being patronizing toward me. I'm also a moderator, so I'd like to suggest dropping that patronizing attitude toward not just me but anyone here who has found salvation if you don't wish to see a large amount of infraction points heading your way.
Well dear you are clearly working off a different definition of the homosexual. The homo has to think sinful thoughts about men to be gay? In my view if his sexual preference is man, yet he chooses never to access his preference, never bring his eros in to play, he is still 'gay', yet savable.

I was also referring to different people when I described homos, some can be 1-100% effeminate and some can be 0%, dominance orientated
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"As much as it is an effeminate condition on one half, it is a male domination complex on the other." Where in the Bible does it say only the 100% effeminate are doomed to Hell?
If you can nullify your eros into a state of platonic desire, then you are no longer homosexual as homosexuality is a lustful desire for your own gender. Platonic desire is nothing more than wanting comradery and friendship, and that's something to be encouraged because it is removed from homosexuality.
What you're saying here is that if you are cured of homosexuality, you can be saved. That's something we've been saying for years.
Something else to remember - I may be an addle-headed woman, but I'm well aware of different types of love (I love our rottweiler, but not in the same I way I love my husband, Mr. Whitford, who I love differently than I love Jesus), and I can also recognize when unsaved trash is being patronizing toward me. I'm also a moderator, so I'd like to suggest dropping that patronizing attitude toward not just me but anyone here who has found salvation if you don't wish to see a large amount of infraction points heading your way.

I do believe that's the first time I've ever seen you actually say that you love Joe. I was beginning to wonder if you had been a mail-order bride.


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Well dear you are clearly working off a different definition of the homosexual. The homo has to think sinful thoughts about men to be gay? In my view if his sexual preference is man, yet he chooses never to access his preference, never bring his eros in to play, he is still 'gay', yet savable.

I was also referring to different people when I described homos, some can be 1-100% effeminate and some can be 0%, dominance orientated
There is no such thing as a 0% effeminate homer as the very act of wanting to copulate with a man makes them effeminate to a degree.
How does a sodomite choose to be a sodomite if he never "accesses his preference"? If his "eros" doesn't come into play, he doesn't know if he wants to be a homer or not. At that point, he's asexual, and asexuality isn't an issue in the Bible and is, in fact, encouraged.

1 Corinthians 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Compare the last scripture I quoted to this one, and it's obvious that to "contain" means not even having a lustful thought. Without a lustful thought, a man will obviously not have chosen to be a sodomite. Don't forget, homosexuality is lifestyle choice and someone who chooses it is already consumed by lust, so your "eros" argument holds no weight.


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I do believe that's the first time I've ever seen you actually say that you love Joe. I was beginning to wonder if you had been a mail-order bride.
1) That's "Mr. Whitford" to you.
2) Of course I love my husband. He is the head of me as Jesus is the head of the church, and I must love him as such.


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I do believe that's the first time I've ever seen you actually say that you love Joe. I was beginning to wonder if you had been a mail-order bride.
You of all people Dancer, what is wrong with mail order brides? Some of them even come with a reasonably good dowry!

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