[Mcr bmth]

Originally Posted by VictoryOS

Pastor, I've heard about all I can take about this musical group. They are dangerous and MUST be stopped. I'm sitting down now to write a letter DEMANDING they be taken off the airwaves and banned from recording any more record albums. Who do I need to address this letter to?

I wouldn't waste my time. They aren't even a band anymore. They split up in 2012.

[Mcr bmth]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

That's an excuse. He so much as admitted that wanted to do drugs and do kinky sex, and his singing admittedly stupid emo songs took too much time away from these "lofty" goals.

Any proof that he said that? I didn't think so. Stop assuming things before you even get to know people.

[Attila's Wife]

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

Any proof that he said that? I didn't think so. Stop assuming things before you even get to know people.

Close friend of yours, is he, fangirl? You're such an expert (or such a stalker) that you have a dossier of everything he ever said?

And asking for proof of anything is a bit rich, coming from you with your made-up statistics.

[Mcr bmth]

Originally Posted by Attila's Wife

Close friend of yours, is he, fangirl? You're such an expert (or such a stalker) that you have a dossier of everything he ever said?

And asking for proof of anything is a bit rich, coming from you with your made-up statistics.

No actually. He's not a close friend of mine, nor am I a stalker, or a stereotypical 'fangirl'. And you aren't really in a position to judge him, seen as though you clearly don't know anything about him.

And I wasn't asking you for evidence... I was clearly asking mary because I quoted her comment. I admitted that I had no solid evidence. The least you could do is prove your point with some evidence, or admit you have none like I did.

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

John 7:24
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgement.”

Some Christian you turned out to be. You think that attending church, and reading the bible is a free ticket into heaven? Wow. You can't even follow the standards of your own religion. Just like gandhi said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” How true. I'm aware that my account is about to be deleted, but I'm glad that this is my last comment.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

No actually. He's not a close friend of mine, nor am I a stalker, or a stereotypical 'fangirl'. And you aren't really in a position to judge him, seen as though you clearly don't know anything about him.

And I wasn't asking you for evidence... I was clearly asking mary because I quoted her comment. I admitted that I had no solid evidence. The least you could do is prove your point with some evidence, or admit you have none like I did.

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

John 7:24
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgement.”

Some Christian you turned out to be. You think that attending church, and reading the bible is a free ticket into heaven? Wow. You can't even follow the standards of your own religion. Just like gandhi said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” How true. I'm aware that my account is about to be deleted, but I'm glad that this is my last comment.

Don't be foolish. No one is going to ban you for being ignorant and incorrect. We love you with the very love of Christ, and that means we want to help you see the errors of your ways and lead you to Salvation. Your little singing group cannot do that, in fact it actively seeks to prevent that. You have a choice ahead of you. We want to help.

[Mcr bmth]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Don't be foolish. No one is going to ban you for being ignorant and incorrect. We love you with the very love of Christ, and that means we want to help you see the errors of your ways and lead you to Salvation. Your little singing group cannot do that, in fact it actively seeks to prevent that. You have a choice ahead of you. We want to help.

I appreciate that you are trying to help me, but you are assuming I'm not a Christian, I am just saying that it is wrong to judge. As 1 Timothy 2:5 states, for there is only one God, and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity, the man Christ Jesus. I don't need you, or your band, to tell me what is right and wrong. Jesus himself made it clear we are not to judge. I apologise if I am in any way coming across as ignorant to you, you may be trying to help me, but I am trying to help you too.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

...Jesus himself made it clear we are not to judge...

NO, HE DIDN'T. Please read this: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

I appreciate that you are trying to help me, but you are assuming I'm not a Christian, I am just saying that it is wrong to judge. As 1 Timothy 2:5 states, for there is only one God, and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity, the man Christ Jesus. I don't need you, or your band, to tell me what is right and wrong. Jesus himself made it clear we are not to judge. I apologise if I am in any way coming across as ignorant to you, you may be trying to help me, but I am trying to help you too.

You call yourself a Christian, and yet you are completely unfamiliar with what Christ actually says. Christ tells us under no uncertain circumstances that when we do judge (and yes, we are commanded to judge; John 7:24), we are to judge righteously, that is, without hypocrisy. We cannot, for example, judge others when we are guilty of the same sin (Matthew 7:1-5). This is not a problem for the True Christian™ though, the one whose soul has been regenerated by the Spirit of God, impervious to sin (1st John 5:18 ). It isn't enough to believe that there existed at some time a special rabbi named Jesus who was miraculously and unbelievably born to a virgin teenager (Matthew 1:18), who temporarily died to pay the admission into Heaven (Romans 4:25), who came back from the dead bringing friends with him (Matthew 27:52-53), and who eventually floated up in the sky, behind clouds (Acts 1:9), and is somehow able to see what we do, hear what we say, read our minds, and even communicate with us by rearranging the environment to give special clues that look suspiciously like coincidences to nonbelievers. It's not enough to believe in Jesus. Satan himself believes in Jesus. One must understand, trust, and obey every single thing God commands of us (James 2:10). This, you cannot do as you clearly are ignorant about what God even wants. How can you possibly keep commands to which you are completely ignorant?

[Mcr bmth]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

You call yourself a Christian, and yet you are completely unfamiliar with what Christ actually says. Christ tells us under no uncertain circumstances that when we do judge (and yes, we are commanded to judge; John 7:24), we are to judge righteously, that is, without hypocrisy. We cannot, for example, judge others when we are guilty of the same sin (Matthew 7:1-5). This is not a problem for the True Christian™ though, the one whose soul has been regenerated by the Spirit of God, impervious to sin (1st John 5:18 ). It isn't enough to believe that there existed at some time a special rabbi named Jesus who was miraculously and unbelievably born to a virgin teenager (Matthew 1:18), who temporarily died to pay the admission into Heaven (Romans 4:25), who came back from the dead bringing friends with him (Matthew 27:52-53), and who eventually floated up in the sky, behind clouds (Acts 1:9), and is somehow able to see what we do, hear what we say, read our minds, and even communicate with us by rearranging the environment to give special clues that look suspiciously like coincidences to nonbelievers. It's not enough to believe in Jesus. Satan himself believes in Jesus. One must understand, trust, and obey every single thing God commands of us (James 2:10). This, you cannot do as you clearly are ignorant about what God even wants. How can you possibly keep commands to which you are completely ignorant?

Twist it however you want, but the truth is that you are judgemental, and you use religion as an excuse to hurt people who have no intentions of hurting anyone. You are the one who is judging an entire music genre based on the acts of individual fans. How would you feel if people judged Your religion based on the acts of individual sinners claiming to be Christians? I'm sure you wouldn't like it, but it guess well never know, because anyone who has half an ounce of decency wouldn't judge a group of people in the first place. Good day.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

Twist it however you want...

What twisting? It's what the Bible says in plain English (or whatever language you read it in). You'd know this if you ever bothered to read the damned thing yourself. Now back to your twisting:

... but the truth is that you are judgemental...

And proudly so, AS THE BIBLE COMMANDS THEM TO BE.

...and you use religion as an excuse to hurt people who have no intentions of hurting anyone...

Trying to save someone's eternal soul = hurting them, and tempting them into sin which will lead to their eternal damnation = not hurting them, and you claim to be Christian?

...How would you feel if people judged Your religion based on the acts of individual sinners claiming to be Christians?...

If they're sinners, they're not Christians.

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

...anyone who has half an ounce of decency wouldn't judge a group of people in the first place...

I do love me some good irony.

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

Twist it however you want, but the truth is that you are judgemental, and you use religion as an excuse to hurt people who have no intentions of hurting anyone. You are the one who is judging an entire music genre based on the acts of individual fans. How would you feel if people judged Your religion based on the acts of individual sinners claiming to be Christians? I'm sure you wouldn't like it, but it guess well never know, because anyone who has half an ounce of decency wouldn't judge a group of people in the first place. Good day.

You must be blind to not see the hypocrisy in your statements.

I pray.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

Twist it however you want,

You're confused. I'm not twisting it the way you want. I'm simply repeating what our Lord Almighty Himself said.

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

but the truth is that you are judgemental,

Yes. I have been given the command to be judgmental. All True Christians™ have been commanded by God to judge, to expose error, and to name names. You might consider it practice, as one day we will be called to judge the angels (1 Corinthians 6:2-3). Stop twisting Scripture to mean what you want it to mean, and start reading what is truly written.

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

and you use religion as an excuse to hurt people who have no intentions of hurting anyone. You are the one who is judging an entire music genre based on the acts of individual fans. How would you feel if people judged Your religion based on the acts of individual sinners claiming to be Christians? I'm sure you wouldn't like it, but it guess well never know, because anyone who has half an ounce of decency wouldn't judge a group of people in the first place. Good day.

People judge Christians all the time. We are the most persecuted group in history. Kirk Cameron himself was practically crucified just like our Lord when he spoke the Truth™.

[Mcr bmth]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

What twisting? It's what the Bible says in plain English (or whatever language you read it in). You'd know this if you ever bothered to read the damned thing yourself. Now back to your twisting:



And proudly so, AS THE BIBLE COMMANDS THEM TO BE.



Trying to save someone's eternal soul = hurting them, and tempting them into sin which will lead to their eternal damnation = not hurting them, and you claim to be Christian?



If they're sinners, they're not Christians.

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."



I do love me some good irony.

That post wasn't even directed at you. Do care to look at the post that I quoted. That means I was replying to that.

[Mcr bmth]

Now this really is getting ridiculous. I'm sure I've got my point across, and failed at it, because you aren't going to back down, so there isn't really any point in me making any more comments. Thanks for giving me a good laugh, but you people really are clueless, aren't you? Clearly I'll always be a sinner in your eyes, no matter what I say. But your opinion on me isn't going to change anything. I'm not going to change to fit into your 'group', nor do I wish to partake. This page is really outrageous. The death penalty? For one suicide? How about we give all of the car manufacturers the death penalty for 'murdering' people who've died in car accidents. Or people who mass produce alcohol, for all the deaths and accidents they've caused. Or you, for making teens feel suicidal for the way they dress, and their music taste. If someone would care to delete my account, and give me that good old 'confirmed enemy of god' tag, I'll be much obliged. Over and out.

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

Clearly I'll always be a sinner in your eyes, no matter what I say.

Only Jesus has the right to judge that.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

Clearly I'll always be a sinner in your eyes, no matter what I say.

You're confused again, dear. We aren't making this up. We're simply sharing with you the Good News! Why do you hesitate to embrace it?

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

But your opinion on me isn't going to change anything. I'm not going to change to fit into your 'group', nor do I wish to partake.

It is not to us you should wish to conform, but to God Himself. Be holy, like He is holy (1 Peter 1:16). This is what you are commanded to do if you truly love Him (John 14:15). This is what you do if you don't want Him to disown you (Luke 9:26). Why do you deny Him His holy servant (Romans 6:22)?

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

This page is really outrageous. The death penalty? For one suicide? How about we give all of the car manufacturers the death penalty for 'murdering' people who've died in car accidents. Or people who mass produce alcohol, for all the deaths and accidents they've caused. Or you, for making teens feel suicidal for the way they dress, and their music taste. If someone would care to delete my account, and give me that good old 'confirmed enemy of god' tag, I'll be much obliged. Over and out.

Your attack of Job Creators is typically hateful, but nevertheless it is our policy to never delete the account of unsaved trash such as yourself. Perhaps you will come back after the Holy Ghost has converted you through a traumatic experience, and your testimony will serve to inspire countless other lost, emo-goth children like yourself.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Mcr bmth

That post wasn't even directed at you. Do care to look at the post that I quoted. That means I was replying to that.

I answered because you don't appear to hearing (or even listening to) what others are telling you about what YOUR RELIGION demands. How can you deny all this stuff that's plainly printed in plain English?

Do you really think you'll measure up when the time comes? How do you think Jesus will feel about you, knowing that He made the ultimate (temporary) sacrifice for your sake, and you couldn't even be arsed to read the instruction manual He left behind for you, let alone follow it faithfully and completely as required?

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

That includes all of the stuff from the Old Testament, too (you, know, the "kill witches, disobedient children, those who gather sticks on the Sabbath, non-virgin brides who have been dutifully paid for, etc., rape victims must marry their attackers [unless she's already married, then they both die]" stuff):

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

The Bible can be regarded as a contract (in fact, that's what a "covenant" is). If you don't hold up your end 100%, the other party is under NO obligation to hold up theirs.

God doesn't sue for breach, though. He has another way:

[Attila's Wife]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

The Bible can be regarded as a contract (in fact, that's what a "covenant" is). If you don't hold up your end 100%, the other party is under NO obligation to hold up theirs.

God doesn't sue for breach, though. He has another way:

Brother Didymus, we will make a True Christian™ of you yet! Bless you, dear.

YiC
AW

[ilovelostcauses]

First and foremost, I am a born-again, Bible believing Christian and I have been for practically all my life. I would never leave my belief system for anything and I confidently believe it to be absolute truth. That being said, let me commence.

I will address some discouraging things that I have observed while looking through this thread.

1. The overwhelming sense of pride amongst fellow "Christians."

Christians, I want to ask you, what are you trying to accomplish here? Ask yourselves, did Jesus treat those who were far away from God with the same contempt that many of you are in this thread? And this is only one thread. I am afraid to look at any more.
If you truly believe in the word of God, you should believe what it says:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

For many of you, this verse is very common and practically engraved in your very spirit, as it should be. But have you ever considered the verse that comes right after?

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." John 3:17

If this does not carry just as much weight for you, I am challenging you to reconsider what you are really preaching here. If you are trying to be more like Jesus, you are not accomplishing that goal. Be wary of your contempt and repent.

Heed Jesus' words when he speaks of the Pharisees in Matthew 15 verses 8 and 9, "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

2. You make Gerard Way, and the band he was in, out to be the worst sinners on the planet.

Gerard Way is nothing but one man. And My Chemical Romance made music, not eternities.

They are broken men at that. But they are loved by God just as much as all of you. After all, we all sin. That is why we need him every day. We are no better than any of those who have not come to God.

"For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost." -Luke 19:10

Weren't we all once lost, searching for the hope that now should be within us?
If God hated this man, and all those who are lost for that matter, he surely would not try to save them. However, he did and continues to every day.

3. You are not showing unsaved people the love of Christ.

Hence the slogan, "Unsaved Unwelcome!" at the top of the page of this website. Despite your efforts, it seems that starting a thread such as this has attracted some people who are unsaved. This would be good, except for the fact that, through your vitriolic responses, you are pushing them further away from Christ.

Did Jesus hang out with Pharisees?

No. In fact, he condemned their hypocritical, arrogant ways. Because what did they do? They only spent time with each other, almost waving salvation in the faces of the unsaved, without doing a single thing to help those who they knew were the outcast, the burdened, the "emo" of his time, the broken.

In light of all this, I challenge you all, research what you believe, and act upon what God's word really says. Otherwise, you will have to answer one day for all the people you led away by ignorance and malice.

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -Matthew 7:15-20

Do not become that corrupt tree.

**********************

And to any non-Christians who are still reading this: This is not how Jesus has taught Christians to act. I thoroughly apologize for any offensive comment you received here. Research what the Bible truly says, and don't be mislead by Christians. You will be surprised what you find. For instance, God does not send people to hell. People choose that route themselves. But there are many more misconceptions too that you will only catch by educating yourselves on what it says and delving deep enough to understand what it all means. Please do your research. And always remain skeptical.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by ilovelostcauses

And to any non-Christians who are still reading this: This is not how Jesus has taught Christians to act. I thoroughly apologize for any offensive comment you received here. Research what the Bible truly says, and don't be mislead by Christians. You will be surprised what you find. For instance, God does not send people to hell. People choose that route themselves. But there are many more misconceptions too that you will only catch by educating yourselves on what it says and delving deep enough to understand what it all means. Please do your research. And always remain skeptical.

I find this offensive. You're apologizing for what is written in the Holy Bible, and that means you're embarrassed of what Jesus said. If you can link to a post in which a True Christian™ has misquoted the Holy Bible, and particularly Jesus, I'll eat my hat.