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Default Traveller's - 08-27-2009, 04:04 PM

My sister has just called me, with a question that I am unable to answer.
A group of travellers have moved into land behind her house, today the chief knocked on my sister's door waving a Bible (not KJV) at her, demanding food for his children.

My sister was startled by this man, and afraid, because he shouted that she would burn in Hell if she denied his family help.

Asking me for help. I said that as this chap didn't have A KJV Bible his threats were worthless. But also because she is NOT saved, that she will go to Hell.

Have I said the right thing, and please could someone give me advice to give to my sister, as she is so upset by this man?.

Thankyou.
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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-27-2009, 04:11 PM

Angels not being saved or chosing damantion doesn't excuse someone from doing the right thing. But what does smelly freeloaders have to do with the rght thing. So you are right on both counts.



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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-27-2009, 04:14 PM

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My sister has just called me, with a question that I am unable to answer.
A group of travellers have moved into land behind her house, today the chief knocked on my sister's door waving a Bible (not KJV) at her, demanding food for his children.

My sister was startled by this man, and afraid, because he shouted that she would burn in Hell if she denied his family help.

Asking me for help. I said that as this chap didn't have A KJV Bible his threats were worthless. But also because she is NOT saved, that she will go to Hell.

Have I said the right thing, and please could someone give me advice to give to my sister, as she is so upset by this man?.

Thankyou.
Sister, if by "travellers" you mean Low-life filthy Gypsy Trash then you were quite right to warn them of a surefire eternity in Hell.
They were no doubt Catholic scum.


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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-27-2009, 04:21 PM

Angels, you DID remember to tell your sister how miserable it is in North Carolina, and how much she would hate it, and why she really wouldn't want to visit after all, didn't you?
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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-27-2009, 04:22 PM

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My sister has just called me, with a question that I am unable to answer.
A group of travellers have moved into land behind her house, today the chief knocked on my sister's door waving a Bible (not KJV) at her, demanding food for his children.

My sister was startled by this man, and afraid, because he shouted that she would burn in Hell if she denied his family help.

Asking me for help. I said that as this chap didn't have A KJV Bible his threats were worthless. But also because she is NOT saved, that she will go to Hell.

Have I said the right thing, and please could someone give me advice to give to my sister, as she is so upset by this man?.

Thankyou.
Ah, angels; you did do the right thing. And here's why (because others, I'm fairly confident, will offer different reasons, and then you can feel very strong about your decisions):

Travelers are a cultural anomaly here in the States, and the ones who do live and, well, "travel" here either know how to approach residents or are at serious risk for not getting anything they need. Travelers know you do NOT threaten residents, with harm, damnation, or anything else.

I personally would have told him to bring the children to the church, and I and two of my friends would have fed them and introduced the adults to the minister. Then, the children get fed, the whole interaction business is removed from your sister's house, and more people are paying attention to what's going on there -- and the fact that this guy tried to use threat of damnation to get honest help.



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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-27-2009, 04:43 PM

Angels, well according to the Bible, she doesn't have to let them in or feed them. However, she is not a True Christian™ so I don't think this would apply to her in her situation. If I was there, I would've rebuked that gypsy with his "Bible" (we all know gypsies practice witchcraft and sorcery so it was probably some kind of magickal grimoire) because I am commanded to by God...

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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-27-2009, 05:06 PM

According to my sister, these people moved onto this land, a day or two ago.
The head man, is a big chap, and is very physically threatening.
I've told her to just ignore them. Easier said than done I fear.
Why should my brother in law, work 11 hour days, just to give free things to the lazy people living in a field?.
Johnny Dear, my sister won't be visiting, though she is happy I have found you.
And Sister Isabella, my sister is frightened of these people, by being nice I think they would take it as encouragement.And I don't believe they are at all Godly, so trying to take them to Church is impossible.
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According to my sister, these people moved onto this land, a day or two ago.
The head man, is a big chap, and is very physically threatening.
I've told her to just ignore them. Easier said than done I fear.
Why should my brother in law, work 11 hour days, just to give free things to the lazy people living in a field?.
Johnny Dear, my sister won't be visiting, though she is happy I have found you.
And Sister Isabella, my sister is frightened of these people, by being nice I think they would take it as encouragement.And I don't believe they are at all Godly, so trying to take them to Church is impossible.
Call the cops, they're vagrants and they committed battery. They get too bad it might be time for some accidents.



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According to my sister, these people moved onto this land, a day or two ago.
The head man, is a big chap, and is very physically threatening.
I've told her to just ignore them. Easier said than done I fear.
Why should my brother in law, work 11 hour days, just to give free things to the lazy people living in a field?.
Johnny Dear, my sister won't be visiting, though she is happy I have found you.
And Sister Isabella, my sister is frightened of these people, by being nice I think they would take it as encouragement.And I don't believe they are at all Godly, so trying to take them to Church is impossible.
Sounds like an invasion of filthy, thieving gypsies if you ask me!


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My sister has just called me, with a question that I am unable to answer.
A group of travellers have moved into land behind her house, today the chief knocked on my sister's door waving a Bible (not KJV) at her, demanding food for his children.

My sister was startled by this man, and afraid, because he shouted that she would burn in Hell if she denied his family help.

Asking me for help. I said that as this chap didn't have A KJV Bible his threats were worthless. But also because she is NOT saved, that she will go to Hell.

Have I said the right thing, and please could someone give me advice to give to my sister, as she is so upset by this man?.

Thankyou.
Has she called the police? Unless they have bought or are renting the field, they're probably trespassing.

Does she have a shotgun?


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When unsaved trash ask me for anything, I tell them "no", and I explain it to them by quoting this little phrase:

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“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you will not have to listen to his incessant whining about how hungry he is.”
I used to tell them that too, but then one of them said "Give the iron chef a fish and you will wind up with trout eyeball icecream." I don't know what that means...


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I've spoken again to my sister. This Country and is system of law, is an absolute joke.
She called both the local Council, and the police. The police warned these people to leave her alone. The council will look into it. Which means they won't do a single thing.
Seriously, I should go, pay them a visit, and scare them witless, because that's exactly what they've done to her.
She, is having her whole house locked, all the time. Her children won't go out to play. But England is like this. The innocent become victims, while the benefit scroungers, layabouts, and foreigners are treated like royalty.
And, as for those heathens being Godly, this really sent my blood pressure up, they were having a huge bonfire last night. And it's Bible's they were burning, aswell as other books. She says they've pinched these Bibles from local Churches.As before the local police wouldn't do anything. No proof. Well of course there's no proof. The idiots burnt everything, only ashes left.
I have a house in Southern England, and I'm sure glad, my sister lives in The Midlands. Because the way I feel right now, if I were there, I'd whack them a few times with my KJV Bible, I'd knock the Lord right into them. I'm so angry, sorry Pastor Zeke, but I can't get this feeling to go right now.
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Sounds like an invasion of filthy, thieving gypsies if you ask me!
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Has she called the police? Unless they have bought or are renting the field, they're probably trespassing.

Does she have a shotgun?
I would move the shooting range to a better vantage point (if you get my drift) and I would do a few 100 round bursts with the chain gun. Fun and 'traveling travellers'.


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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-30-2009, 10:42 AM

There's not a lot you can do Angels, the law is not going to help you in this situation. All you can hope for is that if the locals do not let them do any work around the neighbourhood, tarmac the drive, roofing work etc. They won't do a decent job anyway but to allow them to make money with these jobs keeps them where they are. With no work and no money they will move on eventually leaving a field of rubbish behind no doubt. Then when they have gone your sister would benefit from pestering the council to put barriers up so that they cannot return to the field again. They frequent our neighbourhood 3 or 4 times a year so the council have erected metal barriers to some fields or place large rocks in front of others to stop access.
They are a godless lot so you are wasting your time to appeal to their better nature to stop frightening your sister and her children. Keep her doors and windows locked and try and not leave the house unattended until they have gone.
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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-30-2009, 11:29 AM

America, let this be a lesson to you. When you give up your guns, the gypsies take over, followed by the Muslims and commies.


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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-30-2009, 11:45 AM

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There's not a lot you can do Angels, the law is not going to help you in this situation. All you can hope for is that if the locals do not let them do any work around the neighbourhood, tarmac the drive, roofing work etc. They won't do a decent job anyway but to allow them to make money with these jobs keeps them where they are. With no work and no money they will move on eventually leaving a field of rubbish behind no doubt. Then when they have gone your sister would benefit from pestering the council to put barriers up so that they cannot return to the field again. They frequent our neighbourhood 3 or 4 times a year so the council have erected metal barriers to some fields or place large rocks in front of others to stop access.
They are a godless lot so you are wasting your time to appeal to their better nature to stop frightening your sister and her children. Keep her doors and windows locked and try and not leave the house unattended until they have gone.

Thankyou Widow Green.
I'm a little more reassured by your comments.
My sister, is being packed off to our parents, with her children. Her husband, and his friends say they will deal with the problem, but want her to be safe.
This is what happens though, when the lunatics have taken over the asylum. I have nothing, but contempt for this Country, and it's protect the criminal society.
My brother in law, I think has been trying to reason with these dirty. thieving , people. But you can not reason with idiots. So I imagine, the next step will be physical.
Hopefully, this situation will be resolved very soon.
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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-30-2009, 12:30 PM

A few years ago I did a temp job at a school in a rough area. Gypsies just turned up and set up camp one day on the playing field. After visits from the police and the council it was clear nothing was going to be done.
The headmistress in a loud voice making sure she was overheard by some of the older pupils (15/16) said it was a pity that school funds where going to have to be used to clean up the field once the gypsies had left of their own accord and it would mean less funds available for the end of term trip.
Word soon got around and the air was electric with excitement. The school bell rang at 3.15 and the school emptied. I was down to work until 5 but at around 4.30 there was a vast crowd of hoodies and the like with faces covered making their way to the site. They had bricks, bottles and the like and they threw whatever they had at the cars and caravans. The gypsies couldnt cope with the deluge and the fact that they were kids. Within 15 minutes they hitched up the caravans and left in a hurry. Perhaps it wasnt the right way to go around it and use the pupils to sort the problem but it worked.
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A group of travellers have moved into land behind her house, today the chief knocked on my sister's door waving a Bible (not KJV) at her, demanding food for his children.
She should not under any circumstances provide any charity to this man:

...if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. 1 Timothy 5:8

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You said 100% absolutely the correct thing.

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could someone give me advice to give to my sister, as she is so upset by this man?
Stay away from her! Since she is unsaved, she could jeopardize YOUR salvation. Don't worry, though, God will reward you for abandoning your sister. As Jesus said,

Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting. Luke 18:29-30

Instead of talking to her, try mailing Chick Tracts to her.


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Default Re: Traveller's - 08-31-2009, 12:05 AM

Ok, to start off with..im atheist..so lets start the roasting in hell stuff shall we?
Now to me..thats wrong..you should of gone and helped..for one shes your sister..secondly..anything could've happend
I would appreciate if i didnt get insulted for this
No i do not "Worship" satan..actual fact i own a bible and trying to find things out on my own
Anyway going off point..what you said was a little harsh, if it happens again tell your sister to call the police and you go down and make sure shes ok
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