[leviathancross]

Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga

Dear Mrs. Leviathan,


Thank you for your reply. I do find it curious that you define yourself as a satanist yet you have not read the text which is the foundation of your religion. Is there a reason for that?


That's probably because you have not been exposed to any of the texts of the Sumerian religion. Most of Genesis as well as several other parts of the Old Testament have deep similarities with the Sumerian texts, almost as if they were the result of a plagiarism from these texts - not the other way around because the Sumerian texts are at least 1000 years older.


I have read every sacred text of every religion that I could locate. Despite repetitions and other literary techniques which don't seem as appealing from the modern point of view, Mesopotamian writings are among my absolute favorites, as they belong to the very foundation of the entire Western civilization. Edda and Kalevala are great, too. And Popol Vuh is awesome. Really, all sacred texts are deeply fascinating.


Which sacred text is your favorite?

Oh, no! I'm sorry, perhaps I misworded. I meant that while I did read the Satanic Bible, I did not find much about other religions there and I wasn't hoping to find it. I was under the impression you assumed I had.

I understand. If you think that is the case, I will try to look further into Sumerian religion and see if I find something of interest.

Wow! I am very impressed by your devotion. I can't say I have read that many, unfortunately, even if I wish to broaden my mind like so. However, I think that is partly why I'm here. Not to become a Christian, but perhaps learn what some Christian think. I also think discussion and debate is extremely important when it comes to religion. Or anything.

I do agree with you that Mesopotamian writing is very good. Very inetresting, I may add. I can't say I really have a favourite though, as I always find something wrong with every sacred text which simply won't leave my mind when I finish it.

[leviathancross]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

You're one of those "humble" attention whores. Got it.

If that's the name you favour, so be it.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Nonsense. Jesus tells us that a father beats his son because he loves him. Neglect is to fail to do something, like beating your child. Consider,

He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Proverbs 13:24

And why, you might ask yourself. Fortunately for you, the Holy Bible has the answer:

Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
Proverbs 22:15

If your father loved you, he'd prevent your silly little play-religion and wouldn't let you fall into the trap of being the stooge of those who run the show. Nor would you be a shame to your mother, your family, and your community:

The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
Proverbs 29:15

Ultimately, it would have been for your own good.

You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.
Proverbs 23:14

Ultimately, I fear it is too late. Your continued rebellion marks you as not only a clown, but destined for Perdition. I will reserve adding your silly name to my prayer wall, as I'm not sure if you are indeed other than the pigs Jesus talks about (Matthew 7:6).

If you want to get on my Prayer Wall,
start showing some repentance.

Of course a child is bound to have some "foolishness" in their hearts. They're children, for crying out loud. They're growing up. And once they grow up, they will learn.

If I am truly wrong in what I believe, I will learn. Because it it's truly so foolish, one day, I'll trip over it and I'll learn. That's how you learn. Not by forcing your opinions onto a child by beating them. When you do that, they will learn nothing but fear for you. No child should live in fear of their parents.

And as for your offer, I will decline. As I said, I do not wish for your prayers. I wish that if I'm wrong, I'll learn. If that happens, perhaps I'll repent. But I will never ask of you to pray for me, because that is then my mistake, and I do not want others to ask forgiveness for me. If such be the case, I will do it myself.

Thank you for your insight. I apologize for using rather brash language, but I have strong opinions about this.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by leviathancross

...No child should live in fear of their parents...

But of course they should!

Leviticus 19:3
Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

How else would they learn to feel as they should towards their progenitors?

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Fear is the emotion that is most precious to us whilst on Earth (Ecclesiastes 12:13)!



Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[leviathancross]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

But of course they should!

Leviticus 19:3
Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

How else would they learn to feel as they should towards their progenitors?

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Fear is the emotion that is most precious to us whilst on Earth (Ecclesiastes 12:13)!



Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Good day, Elmer.

I must disagree with you. While dominance and respect is needed, they should never be confused with fear. Fear is a cheaper, sloppier version of respect.

Instead of going the short route and making your children fear you, you talk to them, as a fellow human. If you respect them, they should respect you. If they don't, they'll learn what that does them on their own, not by you beating them. Lecturing is of course important, but it should not be all.

Love and respect. They both go hand in hand. You do not need to instill fear to make other people realize what power you may have over their life. And it's not even about power, if you're a good leader, parent, anything, people will follow you because they love and respect you. Because they believe that you are an idol. Not a neglecter.

I cannot claim to be the best parent, but fear is not the way to go, for it will make them estranged from you.

Thank you.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by leviathancross

Love and respect. They both go hand in hand. You do not need to instill fear to make other people realize what power you may have over their life. And it's not even about power, if you're a good leader, parent, anything, people will follow you because they love and respect you. Because they believe that you are an idol. Not a neglecter.

You actually wish that I would glorify myself to be an idol?!!

1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind

It is totally irrelevant if my children are happy. The only thing that metters is to help them sail Home to Heaven. They'll have plenty of time to be happy there! It is totally inappropriate to suggest that I would make myself a golden calf (Acts 7:41).


Tours in Christ,

Elmer

[leviathancross]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

You actually wish that I would glorify myself to be an idol?!!

1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind

It is totally irrelevant if my children are happy. The only thing that metters is to help them sail Home to Heaven. They'll have plenty of time to be happy there! It is totally inappropriate to suggest that I would make myself a golden calf (Acts 7:41).


Tours in Christ,

Elmer

No, I am not saying you should glorify yourself as an idol, but I am saying you should still act like one for your children, your friends; everyone around you. That does not mean you are arrogant, because it's not about believing you are an idol.

Thank you.
Leviathan.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by leviathancross

No, I am not saying you should glorify yourself as an idol, but I am saying you should still act like one for your children, your friends; everyone around you. That does not mean you are arrogant, because it's not about believing you are an idol.

Thank you.
Leviathan.

I am afraid that I am still quite upset because of your suggestions of idolatry. I am going to be extremely generous, however, and pray for you as we know that your prayers will be useless and Jesus will neglect them!

John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

I don't expect you to thank me now, but if you get into Heaven, I'll accept your apologies then!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by leviathancross

Of course a child is bound to have some "foolishness" in their hearts. They're children, for crying out loud. They're growing up. And once they grow up, they will learn.

If I am truly wrong in what I believe, I will learn. Because it it's truly so foolish, one day, I'll trip over it and I'll learn. That's how you learn. Not by forcing your opinions onto a child by beating them.

Ha. If that were the case, we never would have had President Obama in the White House in the first place. He was wholly unqualified, utterly unprepared, and a global humiliation. He never learned. If he did, we wouldn't have seen this whole "anyone can become president of the United States" idea bite us in the knickers.

[leviathancross]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

I am afraid that I am still quite upset because of your suggestions of idolatry. I am going to be extremely generous, however, and pray for you as we know that your prayers will be useless and Jesus will neglect them!

John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

I don't expect you to thank me now, but if you get into Heaven, I'll accept your apologies then!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

I am sorry I upset you, that was not my intention. My opinion does still stand though. However, once again, I must say prayers are not needed. As if it turns out I was wrong, I want to make up for it myself, and not rely on others for it.

Thank you.
Leviathan.

[leviathancross]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Ha. If that were the case, we never would have had President Obama in the White House in the first place. He was wholly unqualified, utterly unprepared, and a global humiliation. He never learned. If he did, we wouldn't have seen this whole "anyone can become president of the United States" idea bite us in the knickers.

While I must say I disagree on your opinion on Obama (I do not think he was unqualified, unprepared or a humiliation. Perhaps not perfect, but I was not expecting that), I think that if he truly was a terrible president, now we should have learned from his supposed mistakes.

Thank you.
Leviathan.

[Dick Redson]

Originally Posted by Red Army

Mr Leviathan,

If you want to really upset the authorities and the True Christians, why don't you become a communist?


You get to do all the things forbidden by the capitalist society, at least until you get to the power. Then you get to forbid all the things again, but in the name of a good cause.


Come join the Party!

What kind of communism do you advocate?

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Dick Redson

What kind of communism do you advocate?

We don't get very many godless communists here, Dick. If your reading comprehension is undamaged, you can read what the few communists we do have here have said. A better question, from our perspective, is: What kind of communist are you? Korean? Chinese? Bulgarian? Democrat? Do tell us all.

[Dick Redson]

You get to do all the things forbidden by the capitalist society, at

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

We don't get very many godless communists here, Dick. If your reading comprehension is undamaged, you can read what the few communists we do have here have said. A better question, from our perspective, is: What kind of communist are you? Korean? Chinese? Bulgarian? Democrat? Do tell us all.

I myself am a postadist. We advocate communism through nuclear fire. You can read about the creator here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Posadas


As you may know, there are many forms of communism. You probably know of the popular ones such as, Marxism-leninism, stalinism, and maoism. But there are many more, one of these is the aforementioned Posadism. It is one of the less... popular ones.


Due to all these forms of communism, socialism, and anarchism (The leftist version of libertarianism) and the big differences between them it's important to know.

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Dick Redson

Nonsense Removed

You will burn, fellow, but the fire you will face is unlikely to be atomic.

[Dick Redson]

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

You will burn, fellow, but the fire you will face is unlikely to be atomic.

Tell me, what kind of fire?

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Dick Redson

Tell me, what kind of fire?

Hellfire, fool!

[Red Army]

Originally Posted by Dick Redson

You get to do all the things forbidden by the capitalist society, at




I myself am a postadist. We advocate communism through nuclear fire. You can read about the creator here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Posadas


As you may know, there are many forms of communism. You probably know of the popular ones such as, Marxism-leninism, stalinism, and maoism. But there are many more, one of these is the aforementioned Posadism. It is one of the less... popular ones.


Due to all these forms of communism, socialism, and anarchism (The leftist version of libertarianism) and the big differences between them it's important to know.

There is only one True Communism, and that is following the steps of Trotsky.
As Posadas did (I knew him personally - true story) before becoming completely crazy. But advocating communism through nuclear fire is something he did after other crazy theories.
He used to gather people on Cerro Uritorco to wait for the aliens to come. He watched the skies for UFO's. Why? Because Marx said that the only society more advanced than capitalism, was communism. And if the aliens get here before we get to their planets, it means that they are more advanced.
So Posadas concluded that the aliens were going to bring communism to Earth.


Tell me about crazy!


But, in the end, is only a way of taking people that could be fighting for the real cause, to a degraded form of communism; thus posadism is anti-revolutionary.


LAST THING: if you want to discuss communism, that's fine, but please let's take this to a thread where YOU introduce yourself and follow the rules of the forum. Didn't your Party teach you how to follow rules?

[Dick Redson]

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

Hellfire, fool!

Oh.


I know most communists are opposed to christianity. but i admire it.
Christans always want to help the community and help others.
While i do not support everything the bible says, i will always respect a Christian.


Also, what class of flame will i burn in?http://www.femalifesafety.org/types-of-fires.html

[Dick Redson]

Originally Posted by Red Army

There is only one True Communism, and that is following the steps of Trotsky.
As Posadas did (I knew him personally - true story) before becoming completely crazy. But advocating communism through nuclear fire is something he did after other crazy theories.
He used to gather people on Cerro Uritorco to wait for the aliens to come. He watched the skies for UFO's. Why? Because Marx said that the only society more advanced than capitalism, was communism. And if the aliens get here before we get to their planets, it means that they are more advanced.
So Posadas concluded that the aliens were going to bring communism to Earth.


Tell me about crazy!


But, in the end, is only a way of taking people that could be fighting for the real cause, to a degraded form of communism; thus posadism is anti-revolutionary.


LAST THING: if you want to discuss communism, that's fine, but please let's take this to a thread where YOU introduce yourself and follow the rules of the forum. Didn't your Party teach you how to follow rules?

Posada Was always always a Trotskyist. He advocated Trotskyism through the fires of atomic war.


Posada knew revolution was impossible without atomic war and therefore focused on starting one. But as you understand, that is a hard thing to do. So in the wait for the war he looked up at the stars in search of help to make the inevitable come faster.


But I must confess. I am no Posadist, I am more of a Louxembourgist. But trotskyism would be one of the better forms of communism.

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Dick Redson

Posada Was always always a Trotskyist. He advocated Trotskyism through the fires of atomic war.


Posada knew revolution was impossible without atomic war and therefore focused on starting one. But as you understand, that is a hard thing to do. So in the wait for the war he looked up at the stars in search of help to make the inevitable come faster.


But I must confess. I am no Posadist, I am more of a Louxembourgist. But trotskyism would be one of the better forms of communism.

We have attracted a bunch of kooks of late. This is one of them. What kind of fool does it take to promote a theory that will only work if everyone is dead?