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So I believe in Christian Domestic Discipline an I believe it serves a purpose; I haven't discussed this with my fiance, well rather I brought it up stating "a friend and her husband" practice it and have a wonderful Godly marriage. He then said he wouldn't spank me for punishment (I didn't ask - was just trying to assess his feelings re: the subject.) His stepdad used to hit his mother so he' very against violence against women but CDD isn't violence against women. How can I explain to him what his stepdad did was wrong and violent but it isn't wrong to keep me in line, so to speak, if need be? It's just that he's so against it and I get that because he grew up seeing that, and that must have been horrible, but I'd like him to realize that it's not violent, but rather beneficial to both myself, him, and our impending marriage. Does anyone have any advice?
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Sounds to me like he's not a True Christian™. Why did your father accept his proposal?


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Default Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-16-2016, 08:57 AM

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Sounds to me like he's not a True Christian™. Why did your father accept his proposal?
That's the thing he is very Christian; he goes to church twice on Sunday's, Bible study on Wednesday, and he doesn't just go to go, he actually practices what he preaches, which in this day and age is refreshing. My dad accepted his proposal because he's Christian (which is clutch with my parents or else it would be a No Fly Zone,) he's good to me, and he told my daddy he'd provide for me and our child(ren.) My dad likes him and I like that he's not a fake Christian like so many are; he's Pentecostal so I kind of would have thought he'd at least be familiar with CDD. I just don't get it but thank you for your reply.
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Default Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-16-2016, 01:22 PM

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That's the thing he is very Christian; he goes to church twice on Sunday's, Bible study on Wednesday, and he doesn't just go to go, he actually practices what he preaches, which in this day and age is refreshing. My dad accepted his proposal because he's Christian (which is clutch with my parents or else it would be a No Fly Zone,) he's good to me, and he told my daddy he'd provide for me and our child(ren.) My dad likes him and I like that he's not a fake Christian like so many are; he's Pentecostal so I kind of would have thought he'd at least be familiar with CDD. I just don't get it but thank you for your reply.
Pentecostal is not True Christianity. I'm afraid there may be gay demons inside your husband! I say gay demons because if a man doesn't want to beat his wife odds are he's a ninny. Get him an exorcism by a TRUE CHRISTIAN! After the gay demons leave your husband I promise he will beat you unconscious the next time you burn dinner.


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Pentecostal is not True Christianity. I'm afraid there may be gay demons inside your husband! I say gay demons because if a man doesn't want to beat his wife odds are he's a ninny. Get him an exorcism by a TRUE CHRISTIAN! After the gay demons leave your husband I promise he will beat you unconscious the next time you burn dinner.
He told me that he had 7 demons come out of him... I'm learning a lot about Pentecostalism because of him but I grew up Baptist (my mother is and my daddy is Greek Orthodox but for my mother, it was important that she raise us "her way.") Until I met David I only knew what I learned about Pentecostalism in the theological courses in college and even that was sporadic.


Now you really have me worried - I don't think he's gay but I have questioned his manhood re: this issue. Granted I have not come right out and said, "David, this is what I believe the Bible commands and this I want this," because I'm too shy, but I have dropped hints, which led to him telling me about his stepdad beating his stepmom. But I don't see him disciplining me as abuse... I just don't know how to make that happen.


Thank you for your honesty and if you have any advice as to what to say, I'd be very grateful.


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That's the thing he is very Christian...
"Very" Christian? That still isn't good enough for Jesus. He demands 100%, or he might as well be some shaggy-haired, irreverent, sarcastic, gay-marriage-supporting, dope-smoking, Canadian atheist for all the good it will do him come the Judgement.

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

The Pentacostal thing concerns me, too. So he said that seven demons came out of him. Some Pentacostals would call that "Tuesday". How do you there aren't more left in there? Have you had Pastor Zeke examine his rectum for residual infestation, and possible gayness?


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So I believe in Christian Domestic Discipline an I believe it serves a purpose; I haven't discussed this with my fiance, well rather I brought it up stating "a friend and her husband" practice it and have a wonderful Godly marriage. He then said he wouldn't spank me for punishment (I didn't ask - was just trying to assess his feelings re: the subject.) His stepdad used to hit his mother so he' very against violence against women but CDD isn't violence against women. How can I explain to him what his stepdad did was wrong and violent but it isn't wrong to keep me in line, so to speak, if need be? It's just that he's so against it and I get that because he grew up seeing that, and that must have been horrible, but I'd like him to realize that it's not violent, but rather beneficial to both myself, him, and our impending marriage. Does anyone have any advice?
Dear Miss Karameek,

I hesitate to add my pitiful thoughts after the True Christian men have already graciously given words.


Nevertheless, knowing all too well the weakness of the female intellect I'll try to apply Scripture.



1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.


My husband honors my weakness by toughening my hide.


I'm required to present my activities (giving him the knowledge he needs to dwell with me). As soon as he finds me in the wrong he honors me with his belt that there may be some hope of eternal inheritance for me. And, his prayers are more effective for having honored his wife.


You might make these points to your espoused. Explaining that without the honor of our husbands we are adrift. And, maybe he'll be glad to see in Scripture that his prayers are more effective if he will honor his wife on the seat of her learning and the mouth of her sassing and nagging.


One last suggestion, this will require humility on your part. When you notice that you have annoyed your espoused, kneel before him holding a paddle and ask him to please punish you. That way he'll see that this is correction, not abuse.


If he refuses to honor his future wife, I dare say your soul is not safe with him.
You'll have to do as your father says, I pity you if you are forced into a marriage with a possible homo. Maybe your father could explain to him how best to keep you in line.
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Default Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-17-2016, 12:22 PM

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He told me that he had 7 demons come out of him... I'm learning a lot about Pentecostalism because of him but I grew up Baptist (my mother is and my daddy is Greek Orthodox but for my mother, it was important that she raise us "her way.") Until I met David I only knew what I learned about Pentecostalism in the theological courses in college and even that was sporadic.


Now you really have me worried - I don't think he's gay but I have questioned his manhood re: this issue. Granted I have not come right out and said, "David, this is what I believe the Bible commands and this I want this," because I'm too shy, but I have dropped hints, which led to him telling me about his stepdad beating his stepmom. But I don't see him disciplining me as abuse... I just don't know how to make that happen.


Thank you for your honesty and if you have any advice as to what to say, I'd be very grateful.
Well I hate to sound like a damn liberal, but I think this may be the one occasion where you need to tell your husband how you feel. Read him scripture, and let him know if he isn't beating you he isn't a True Christian TM! Good luck. If he won't beat you even after he has heard the scriptures then he must have homosexual demons inside of him! Best you call Pastor Zeke to examine him, and perform an exorcism.


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1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.


My husband honors my weakness by toughening my hide.
Amen, Mrs. G! I couldn't agree more! But it is not from women, or even men, our dear friend Karameek seeks advice. It is from Jesus Almighty Himself, who gives Himself to those who seek with sincerity in the Holy Bible. Anyone who wishes to have a True Christian™ marriage will no doubt wish to instill Biblical Values into that marriage. No other source provides Biblical Values like the Holy Bible! So let's take a look at what it says.

The Good Lord, in His Infinite Wisdom, knows that left to his own devices, mankind is naturally inclined towards selfishness, freeloading, homosexuality, and moral depravity of every kind (Proverbs 13:6). One might imagine the whole world like California, hopped up on steroids. The Good Lord, in His Infinite Wisdom, gives us an alternative to living like the disgusting hippies and skateboard bums: Discipline. No place in the Holy Bible is Discipline spoken of poorly, or as an option to be taken or left as one's mood strikes them. Instead, Discipline is a tool, as important as prayer, worship, and generous tithing.

Furthermore, Biblical Discipline is a special kind of Love. It's Advanced Love. It's Love that starts with faith (Hebrews 11:6), and ends with sinlessness (1 John 3:9). It's Love that is seen through Obedience and Compliance. The Holy Bible shows a very distinct path to Righteousness: Obedience to Parents prepares one for Obedience to Husband (for wife), or Christ (for husband). This is of utmost importance, for we are called to love (ie, obey; John 14:15) the LORD with our whole heart, soul, and strength (Deuteronomy 6:5), which naturally precludes any selfish acts. It is, in fact, our only duty on this earth (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

Revelation tells us that those whom God loves, He rebukes and chastens (Revelation 3:19). True Christian™ parents are encouraged to participate in this Divine Tool through His timeless warning that whoever spares the rod of discipline actually hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them (Proverbs 13:24). While the Bible doesn't say that Creative Discipline is a virtue, I think we can surmise it from reading the Bible as a Whole. Anyway, we can see the seeds of love in a Biblical Context: Love=Discipline.

We might understand Discipline as a Biblical Value because it is associated with Wisdom and Understanding, and we know that the Fear of the LORD is the first - and only - step towards Wisdom and Understanding (Proverbs 9:10). We are reminded, for example, that a rod and a reprimand impart Wisdom, but a child left undisciplined disgraces its mother (Proverbs 29:15). A child who disgraces his mother is not very Wise at all. Speaking as a mother of many, I will confess that nothing frustrates or angers me more than an undisciplined child, and I swear to God none of my children will make the same mistake twice. It is a reflection on the mother, which is in turn a reflection on her faith. I'll not have someone walking down the street, see my children, and think to themselves, "Poor Mrs. Etheldreda! Those children are such an embarrassment!" I'll discipline my children black and blue before that happens. Teeth are optional for eating, but an angry mother is not an option in my home. That's my motto. But I digress.

The LORD tells us that Wisdom is found on the lips of the discerning, but use that rod on the back of one who has no sense (Proverbs 10:13), and I take that advice very seriously. Anyway, we can see how Discipline is a Biblical Value because it imparts Wisdom. A lack of Discipline in turn, creates sloth, apathy, and contentiousness. Basically, social retardism. Like California. I'll be damned if I have that in my home, and make no mistake!

Finally, we can see that a constant, Biblical infusion of Discipline in the home is associated with peace and righteousness. No one enjoys the moment of discipline. It hurts. It stings. It humiliates. That's the point. But the Sweet Victory that arises from the battle of the soul is a special kind of Peace. It is the Peace of knowing one is at one with the will of his Authority, and not in His cross-hairs, so to speak.

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Of course these verses speak of parenting, but keep in mind that True Christians™ are adopted children of the King of Kings (2 Corinthians 6:18). We behoove it to our children to teach them the same Biblical Values that the LORD used to lead us to our Salvation. And even more importantly, we are commanded to institute these Biblical Values into our homes by God Almighty Himself. The Holy Bible tells us explicitly that the husband is the head of the wife, in the same way that Christ is the head of the church, that is the Body of Believers, the True Christians™ over whom this Discipline is applied (Ephesians 5:23). One can learn more with the Christian Domestic Discipline ministry.

The question our dear friend Karameek seems to be asking herself is, How can a man say he loves his wife and not discipline her when needed? It is a valid question, one that shows a desire to understand and embrace Biblical Values, even those that may leave a mark or a bruise (not to worry, we have a rather fine group of knowledgeable ladies here at Landover ). It also shows an unsettling window into the soul of her prospective husband. If he is unwilling to impose Biblical Discipline, he is unwilling to truly Love her.

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You'll have to do as your father says, I pity you if you are forced into a marriage with a possible homo. Maybe your father could explain to him how best to keep you in line.
Now here's where I (and the Holy Bible) disagree with you, dear Mrs. G. The Holy Bible tells Karameek to honor her father (Matthew 15:4), but it also tells her that she cannot truly be a disciple unless and until she genuinely hates her father (Luke 14:26). The only conclusion to make is that Jesus is telling Karameek that to honor her father, she must hate him. It may sound illogical to the unregenerated soul, but to those Saved, they are Powerful Words indeed (1 Corinthians 1:18). Besides, if anyone ever suggested the Holy Bible was logical, they haven't read it. The Holy Bible is magnificent, powerful, miraculous, awe-inspiring, but not logical. Is it not logical to create the sun before the day? Yes, but that's not how the Good Lord Almighty Himself chose to do it (Genesis 1:4-5; Genesis 1:16-19), and so we can relax, and pay no heed to logical requirements. We know the Holy Bible is God-Breathed and good for our Righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16), and Righteousness is better than Logic any day!


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Scared Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-18-2016, 07:56 AM

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"Very" Christian? That still isn't good enough for Jesus. He demands 100%, or he might as well be some shaggy-haired, irreverent, sarcastic, gay-marriage-supporting, dope-smoking, Canadian atheist for all the good it will do him come the Judgement.

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

The Pentacostal thing concerns me, too. So he said that seven demons came out of him. Some Pentacostals would call that "Tuesday". How do you there aren't more left in there? Have you had Pastor Zeke examine his rectum for residual infestation, and possible gayness?
I don't even know how to respond lol... but he isn't any of the things you said re: dope smoking and shaggy haired Canadian. What do you mean by "Some Pentecostals would call that Tuesay?" And perhaps Pastor Zeke should examine him lol but i know for sure he isn't gay and he believes it's wrong, however we got in a fight last night (we made up,) but he really scared me... perhaps you may be on t something re: him having more demons. Thanks for the advice.


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Thumbs up Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-18-2016, 08:11 AM

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Dear Miss Karameek,

I hesitate to add my pitiful thoughts after the True Christian men have already graciously given words.


Nevertheless, knowing all too well the weakness of the female intellect I'll try to apply Scripture.



1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.


My husband honors my weakness by toughening my hide.


I'm required to present my activities (giving him the knowledge he needs to dwell with me). As soon as he finds me in the wrong he honors me with his belt that there may be some hope of eternal inheritance for me. And, his prayers are more effective for having honored his wife.


You might make these points to your espoused. Explaining that without the honor of our husbands we are adrift. And, maybe he'll be glad to see in Scripture that his prayers are more effective if he will honor his wife on the seat of her learning and the mouth of her sassing and nagging.


One last suggestion, this will require humility on your part. When you notice that you have annoyed your espoused, kneel before him holding a paddle and ask him to please punish you. That way he'll see that this is correction, not abuse.


If he refuses to honor his future wife, I dare say your soul is not safe with him.
You'll have to do as your father says, I pity you if you are forced into a marriage with a possible homo. Maybe your father could explain to him how best to keep you in line.
First I just want to thank you for writing such a long response and for the advice. I've found many verses in the Bible which support CDD. I'm glad you and your husband are so in sync and that not only does he correct you, but you accept your punishment without argument. I must say I would be a little hesitant to knee before him with a paddle but maybe I could. See here's what I don't get: literally at least 10 X's a day he'll slap my bottom (not hard,) but it isn't discipline. I don't know if I could as my dad to tell him how to keep me in line but I dare say you're right in that if this something he won't do I think I'll have to leave as you suggested. Do you think I should show him the CDD website a it has a boatload of info and scripture, and he lives by the Bible, and believes (as do I) it's inerrant. Thanks again.


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Default Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-18-2016, 08:44 AM

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...What do you mean by "Some Pentecostals would call that Tuesday?"...
I meant, from the way you hear Pentecostals talk, that having any number of demons come out of someone is a regular occurrence, no big, and even something to be thankful for.

Whereas, if it happened to a True Christian™, it would mean that they weren't a True Christian™ to begin with (ie. a disaster). Having demons inside oneself means that you are harbouring sin, and that's impossible to reconcile with truly believing:

1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."


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Prayer Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-18-2016, 02:45 PM

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Well I hate to sound like a damn liberal, but I think this may be the one occasion where you need to tell your husband how you feel. Read him scripture, and let him know if he isn't beating you he isn't a True Christian TM! Good luck. If he won't beat you even after he has heard the scriptures then he must have homosexual demons inside of him! Best you call Pastor Zeke to examine him, and perform an exorcism.
You know I thought the same thing and to just bite the bullet and say it but I'm pretty sure he'll say those verses are for children. Thank you for the advice.


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Prayer Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-18-2016, 04:00 PM

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I meant, from the way you hear Pentecostals talk, that having any number of demons come out of someone is a regular occurrence, no big, and even something to be thankful for.

Whereas, if it happened to a True Christian™, it would mean that they weren't a True Christian™ to begin with (ie. a disaster). Having demons inside oneself means that you are harbouring sin, and that's impossible to reconcile with truly believing:

1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
Oh lol sorry I didn't get the joke because Pentecostalism is rather new to me, barring what I learned in class. I asked him and he said he attended church for approx 8 months before he was saved and his Pastor got rid of the demons; I don't know what to think.

Here's the thing: he truly believes and attends church 3 X's a week and although I don't subscribe to his religion, it is amazing to see just how devoted him and his fellow church members are to God... however I think I'd be a little scared if someone started speaking in tongues because I don't know how that jives. I love him but I'm so confused. He always talks about how he needs to read his Bible more but I only see him with it in church unless he reads it more when I'm home in Boston, whereas regardless of what my day looks like I always start it out by setting a one hour timer on my phone and read it. When we're in church he's so into it but then I guess it seems to lapse. I told him I didn't believe in pre-marital relations and he agreed with me because he said that he goes by whatever the Bible says... but if that's the case then he should have no problem putting me over my knee and spanking me when I have been disobedient. Thanks for the advice.


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Pie Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-18-2016, 04:49 PM

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Amen, Mrs. G! I couldn't agree more! But it is not from women, or even men, our dear friend Karameek seeks advice. It is from Jesus Almighty Himself, who gives Himself to those who seek with sincerity in the Holy Bible. Anyone who wishes to have a True Christian™ marriage will no doubt wish to instill Biblical Values into that marriage. No other source provides Biblical Values like the Holy Bible! So let's take a look at what it says.

The Good Lord, in His Infinite Wisdom, knows that left to his own devices, mankind is naturally inclined towards selfishness, freeloading, homosexuality, and moral depravity of every kind (Proverbs 13:6). One might imagine the whole world like California, hopped up on steroids. The Good Lord, in His Infinite Wisdom, gives us an alternative to living like the disgusting hippies and skateboard bums: Discipline. No place in the Holy Bible is Discipline spoken of poorly, or as an option to be taken or left as one's mood strikes them. Instead, Discipline is a tool, as important as prayer, worship, and generous tithing.

Furthermore, Biblical Discipline is a special kind of Love. It's Advanced Love. It's Love that starts with faith (Hebrews 11:6), and ends with sinlessness (1 John 3:9). It's Love that is seen through Obedience and Compliance. The Holy Bible shows a very distinct path to Righteousness: Obedience to Parents prepares one for Obedience to Husband (for wife), or Christ (for husband). This is of utmost importance, for we are called to love (ie, obey; John 14:15) the LORD with our whole heart, soul, and strength (Deuteronomy 6:5), which naturally precludes any selfish acts. It is, in fact, our only duty on this earth (Ecclesiastes 12:13).



Revelation tells us that those whom God loves, He rebukes and chastens (Revelation 3:19). True Christian™ parents are encouraged to participate in this Divine Tool through His timeless warning that whoever spares the rod of discipline actually hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them (Proverbs 13:24). While the Bible doesn't say that Creative Discipline is a virtue, I think we can surmise it from reading the Bible as a Whole. Anyway, we can see the seeds of love in a Biblical Context: Love=Discipline.

We might understand Discipline as a Biblical Value because it is associated with Wisdom and Understanding, and we know that the Fear of the LORD is the first - and only - step towards Wisdom and Understanding (Proverbs 9:10). We are reminded, for example, that a rod and a reprimand impart Wisdom, but a child left undisciplined disgraces its mother (Proverbs 29:15). A child who disgraces his mother is not very Wise at all. Speaking as a mother of many, I will confess that nothing frustrates or angers me more than an undisciplined child, and I swear to God none of my children will make the same mistake twice. It is a reflection on the mother, which is in turn a reflection on her faith. I'll not have someone walking down the street, see my children, and think to themselves, "Poor Mrs. Etheldreda! Those children are such an embarrassment!" I'll discipline my children black and blue before that happens. Teeth are optional for eating, but an angry mother is not an option in my home. That's my motto. But I digress.

The LORD tells us that Wisdom is found on the lips of the discerning, but use that rod on the back of one who has no sense (Proverbs 10:13), and I take that advice very seriously. Anyway, we can see how Discipline is a Biblical Value because it imparts Wisdom. A lack of Discipline in turn, creates sloth, apathy, and contentiousness. Basically, social retardism. Like California. I'll be damned if I have that in my home, and make no mistake!

Finally, we can see that a constant, Biblical infusion of Discipline in the home is associated with peace and righteousness. No one enjoys the moment of discipline. It hurts. It stings. It humiliates. That's the point. But the Sweet Victory that arises from the battle of the soul is a special kind of Peace. It is the Peace of knowing one is at one with the will of his Authority, and not in His cross-hairs, so to speak.

Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous;
nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

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Of course these verses speak of parenting, but keep in mind that True Christians™ are adopted children of the King of Kings (2 Corinthians 6:18). We behoove it to our children to teach them the same Biblical Values that the LORD used to lead us to our Salvation. And even more importantly, we are commanded to institute these Biblical Values into our homes by God Almighty Himself. The Holy Bible tells us explicitly that the husband is the head of the wife, in the same way that Christ is the head of the church, that is the Body of Believers, the True Christians™ over whom this Discipline is applied (Ephesians 5:23). One can learn more with the Christian Domestic Discipline ministry.

The question our dear friend Karameek seems to be asking herself is, How can a man say he loves his wife and not discipline her when needed? It is a valid question, one that shows a desire to understand and embrace Biblical Values, even those that may leave a mark or a bruise (not to worry, we have a rather fine group of knowledgeable ladies here at Landover ). It also shows an unsettling window into the soul of her prospective husband. If he is unwilling to impose Biblical Discipline, he is unwilling to truly Love her.



Now here's where I (and the Holy Bible) disagree with you, dear Mrs. G. The Holy Bible tells Karameek to honor her father (Matthew 15:4), but it also tells her that she cannot truly be a disciple unless and until she genuinely hates her father (Luke 14:26). The only conclusion to make is that Jesus is telling Karameek that to honor her father, she must hate him. It may sound illogical to the unregenerated soul, but to those Saved, they are Powerful Words indeed (1 Corinthians 1:18). Besides, if anyone ever suggested the Holy Bible was logical, they haven't read it. The Holy Bible is magnificent, powerful, miraculous, awe-inspiring, but not logical. Is it not logical to create the sun before the day? Yes, but that's not how the Good Lord Almighty Himself chose to do it (Genesis 1:4-5; Genesis 1:16-19), and so we can relax, and pay no heed to logical requirements. We know the Holy Bible is God-Breathed and good for our Righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16), and Righteousness is better than Logic any day!

Mary,


My angel! Thank you so much for the comprehensive response and for taking the time out of your day to do so.


I want a Biblical marriage and he said he wanted to be the Head of the Household like it states in the Bible but it's like, "Ok, then be the HoH and just take charge," but he doesn't. He said he wants a traditional Biblical marriage; well you can't get more traditional than like the 1950's and I know for sure husbands spanked their wives then.


I really appreciated your joke re: the bums in Cali but in all seriousness you're right, without discipline the whole world would like them. I need him to see that discipline is necessary and required; I've found endless verses, such as the ones you supplied me with (thank you so much by the way,) but I think he'll state they're for children, and as I previously stated he said he will spank them because that's how he was raised, so why is it okay for him to spank our children (when we have them of course,) and not me? He prays, tithes, and worships, but does not discipline me, and okay, maybe part of it is my fault for not letting him know, but I would think he should just know.


My father is from Jordan and Greek Orthodox and let me tell you he was strict; I never wanted to be on his bad side... luckily I went to boarding school for high school but by that point I was completely in line and rarely did I disobey him because I knew what would happen if I did. BTW good for you on raising your children right just as the Bible says it's a reflection on the mom and clearly, you're a great one and must have obedient children (I hope to have the same.) I couldn't agree more with you that discipline = love. My dad disciplined me and I adore him; he's my hero and my best friend. And you're spot on re: Hebrews 12:11. Discipline is not fun! It isn't supposed to be but it will produce righteous fruit, and he somehow needs to see that. I'm sorry you're in the same predicament with your husband although it seems as though you've asked, whereas I've been too scared to because I don't want him to think I'm some sort of weirdo - I just want to better our impending marriage an make it a Biblical one... Mary I feel so lost and confused... I don't know what to do or how to broach the subject - I feel as though I'm on a lifeboat that went adrift and is waiting for a rescue mission.


You cited Proverbs 10:13 and I have found that and thought it applies not just children but to women because it talks about the rod without children mentioned in any context - the rod is for the back of him who is devoid of understanding... and I couldn't agree with you more in that lack of discipline = sloth, apathy, and God knows how many other things.


What I don't get is that the Bible states he will be accountable to God for his household so why wouldn't he want to make sure his household is in order before Judgment Day comes? I know I'm not going to like being disciplined at the moment; I'll probably be squirming and crying but I know it will make me a better person and since God is the head of him, and he's the head of me, I would think it would be something he'd want - no, need to do. BTW thank you for the CDD site; I have just filled out their questionnaire and am going to submit it; would you think it would be wise to just show him the site? And if so what would I say? I mean why would I tell him we're going to this site? I'm so frustrated!


Thank you for your kind words re: my interest in Biblical discipline and I can't say that he is unwilling because I've never asked. When I'll be cooking or even when we're just hanging out, he'll swat my bottom but that's it (so the fact that he does that makes me think he may be willing to but I'm so shy, I don't know how to ask, and I also don't know if I'm misinterpreting him (i.e., are they just little love swats a lot of husbands give their wives or does he have an interest?) A friend of mine said that was promising and he thinks my fiance does want to spank me but is afraid of how I may react... but if that's true and he would just say it I'd be happy! I haven't given it to him yet because I'm in TX and it didn't come to Beantown in time for me to bring it, but I bought him a hairbrush paddle with "Colossians 3:18" engraved on it; so I thought about giving it to him the next time either I came down here or he came up to New England... I know, I don't know if I should have done that because in all seriousness how would I give it to him and what would I say? Would I just put it in a box, wrap it with a bow, and let him open it so he can interpret it however he wants? But that brings me to my original point: will he think I'm weird and I'm not! BTW thank you for the ladies link - I wanted to post but felt a little late to the party but from what I understand, arnica cream does wonders.


I agree with you that righteousness trumps logic any day however although I reread the verses, I don't know how I can love and hate my daddy simultaneously; you're absolutely correct: that's what the Bible states but to me, I don't know how to do it. Clearly I want to because I fear God and wish to do everything to please him, but hating my dad is going to be one tough mission, but no one ever said it was easy being a Christian.


Mary , do I just bite the bullet and show him the CDD site or do I wait until the next time one of us visits and give him the wrapped box with the hairbrush paddle in it?


Thank you so much for the long and insightful response; it was illuminating, very helpful, and it means a lot to me that someone who has no idea who I am would take the time out of their day to write so much. Thank you and God bless. Inshallah David will come to learn that discipline is love and if we're going to get married this is a clutch issue or else if not, I'm afraid I may have to make it a "No fly Zone."


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Kara


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...I told him I didn't believe in pre-marital relations and he agreed with me because he said that he goes by whatever the Bible says... but if that's the case then he should have no problem putting me over my knee and spanking me when I have been disobedient...
Wait, you want him to discipline you before you're married?

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...Inshallah David will come to learn that discipline is love...
WTAF is that doing in a post by some self-styled "Christian"? Hooooboy is Zeke ever going to be pissed off.

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My angel! Thank you so much for the comprehensive response and for taking the time out of your day to do so.
It is my pleasure to glorify the LORD, and to magnify His Righteousness across the interwebs!

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I want a Biblical marriage and he said he wanted to be the Head of the Household like it states in the Bible but it's like, "Ok, then be the HoH and just take charge," but he doesn't. He said he wants a traditional Biblical marriage; well you can't get more traditional than like the 1950's and I know for sure husbands spanked their wives then.
If a man says one things and does another, the word you're looking for is "hypocrite." Or perhaps "coward." Jesus simply HATES "lukewarm" believers, those who kinda sorta wanna do this, but not really all the way. In fact, people like your fiance make Him want to vomit (Revelation 3:16). Do you really want to be yolked to a man who makes Jesus want to vomit?

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so why is it okay for him to spank our children (when we have them of course,) and not me? He prays, tithes, and worships, but does not discipline me, and okay, maybe part of it is my fault for not letting him know, but I would think he should just know.
Why? Because he's opened his heart to Satan and his minions. Your fiance doesn't pray and worship to Jesus, but to the devil. His tithes are going to undermine Jesus in every way (Matthew 12:30). Pastor Levi Jones has a compelling and spirit-filled sermon on the subject of this babbling foolishness. [Pentecostals: Demon possessed gibberish speakers for Satan.]. Also, a generous gift to the Pastor's Jet Fund will go a long way to bring your prayers to Heaven faster, I can just feel it in my spirit.

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What I don't get is that the Bible states he will be accountable to God for his household so why wouldn't he want to make sure his household is in order before Judgment Day comes?
Because it his sin-encrusted mind, he thinks he IS putting his household in order properly. This is why Jesus left us with the Holy Bible - so we don't have to think. We simply need to read, and then apply what is written. It takes all the work and worry out of it (Proverbs 3:5)!

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When I'll be cooking or even when we're just hanging out, he'll swat my bottom but that's it
Oh dear. This is most concerning. The only men I know who spank bottoms outside the context of CDD are football players, and we know for a fact the NFL is screamin' full of sodomites [Homosexuals in the NFL - A Comprehensive List of Gay Players]! I prayed about this before responding dear, and wouldn't you know it, Jesus agrees with me. Your fiance is actually a closet homer. You might check here for other, alarming signs [How to Recognize a Homosexual]. If you agree to marry him, that makes you a homer too, and Jesus really hates them (Leviticus 20:13). Do you want Jesus to hate you?

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I agree with you that righteousness trumps logic any day however although I reread the verses, I don't know how I can love and hate my daddy simultaneously
Not "love and hate" him dear, "honor and hate" him. You must cease this affection at once, or you are guilty of not loving Jesus with your entire heart, soul, and might (Deuteronomy 6:5).

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Mary , do I just bite the bullet and show him the CDD site or do I wait until the next time one of us visits and give him the wrapped box with the hairbrush paddle in it?
I think if you present him with a paddle gift, he'll take it as approval for sodomy with implements of coiffure! That's how it starts - innocently looking "toys" in the bedroom lead down that slippery, frothy slope to kitchen utensils, sports paraphernalia, and eventually small, furry animals! Good God woman, what are you willing to do to please your fiance and horrify Jesus? Why? Why?

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Wait, you want him to discipline you before you're married?



WTAF is that doing in a post by some self-styled "Christian"? Hooooboy is Zeke ever going to be pissed off.

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I'm 1/2 Arabic so I speak the language but don't worry my dad is Christian. In fact my cousin works for the UN in Amman so I'm going over there to film my interactions with the Christians and Yazidi's in the refugee camps there. As per him disciplining me before marriage, he has seen me in a bathing suit so I figured if I kept my underwear on then it would be okay.


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Default Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-18-2016, 06:33 PM

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I'm 1/2 Arabic so I speak the language but don't worry my dad is Christian. In fact my cousin works for the UN in Amman so I'm going over there to film my interactions with the Christians and Yazidi's in the refugee camps there. As per him disciplining me before marriage, he has seen me in a bathing suit so I figured if I kept my underwear on then it would be okay.
oh and Inshallah means "God willing"


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Default Re: How to explain to my fiance... - 02-18-2016, 10:38 PM

I don't see why you would want to be beat. I have had to much violence in my life, and tbh a true gentleman would never hurt his lady.


Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
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