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Originally Posted by epignosis
That is true, you have to use all scriptures, to come to the correct understanding. No contradictions.
Psalm 51:5 (King James Version)
5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Romans 3:23 (King James Version)
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Ephesians 2:3-7 (King James Version)
3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
We are all born into sin. We can not escape that. We all fall short of the glory of God. In Ephesians 2:3 we also are "children of wrath, even as others".
In verse 5 "Even when we were dead in sins", Jesus counted us worthy to go with him. These ones are the one that follow Jesus.
All the scriptures have to be in harmony. So in Romans 3:23 says all have fallen short of Gods glory, that is about all of us.
That is why the scripture in Ephesians 2:5 the brackets say (by grace ye are saved ) the reason we need grace is because even though we sin, he still took us with him. No grace would be needed if we were perfect.
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Friend, now you are just repeating yourself. None of these Verses speak about people who are
already Saved™.
Psalm 51:5 teaches that people are born evil. I do not dispute that.
Romans 3:23 confirms the natural evil character of all human beings.
Ephesians 2:3-7 teaches that believers that they also were sinful in their natural state.
However, the point here is that this natural state of sin is
supplanted by a sin-free state which is made possible by Jesus' death on the cross. We are not natural men anymore:
1 Corinthians 2:14:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
No grace would be needed if we were
born perfect. But we aren't. Grace is the very thing that makes us perfect!
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All the scriptures in the bible talking about man, and his righteousness or perfection, have to be in harmony with each other.
So if you say, men who follow Christ are perfect and don't sin, then that understanding contradicts many of the scriptures on the topic.
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As I've shown, it doesn't contradict a single Passage of the Bible, and you contradict both 1 John 3:9 and 5:18 when you claim that True Christians™ aren't sin-free.
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There were many men in the bible that were good men and God was with them. But none of them could do what Jesus did. Because they were not perfect. God chose Jesus to come to the earth because he was going to be a perfect man ( physically) and he was sinless. All of us were born into sin, and imperfection.
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Born in sin, that is true.
Have you ever considered what might be the meaning of the phrase "
born again?"
