[Jim Farmer]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Mine was brief:

Mother. Piss off. You're a bitch. - Jim
Please note: I've even changed that poofter name you gave me (Damian)

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Mine was brief:

Excellent brother. I was thinking about not contacting her at all. She probably wouldn't have crossed my mind if not for this thread. You don't think she will mistake all of my attentive hatred for a degree of affection, do you?

[Jim Farmer]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Excellent brother. I was thinking about not contacting her at all. She probably wouldn't have crossed my mind if not for this thread. You don't think she will mistake all of my attentive hatred for a degree of affection, do you?

There is certainly a danger of that occurring, but if you were to do that, she may well think that you simply forgot. My rationale is that I've remembered that it's mothers' day, and I'll use it to really tell her what I think of her.

[mgreigns]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Isn't there some way to get this holiday repealed from the calendar? Since when did women deserve recognition for doing their jobs? Just asking.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Brother Farmer handled this atrocious holiday very well. I on the other hand am concerned that I may have sent my mother an email which, while full of hatred, was a bit too long. This leaves open the possibility that she may have derived some pleasure from the time spent reminiscing about her estranged child. What can I do to ensure that my mother knows I have nothing but hatred for her, in accordance with the precepts of Christ?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

I'm proud of my children who spent the day sharing the Good News on "Mother's Day" that God will not tolerate uppity women. In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, the heavy metal band Slipknot played their death culture music, but some of us reminded the party goers the real party doesn't happen if they don't repent.





Hemant Mehta, the "friendly" atheist posted about this. I like the following comment because it shows the mental gymnastics heathens do in order to avoid facing the superior logic of the Bible:

A reader by the name of "OooShiny" made this comment:

Replacing "women" on that sign with Jews or blacks better illustrates the slavery and perpetual shame it's demanding of women into under the guise of morality.

Claiming that, merely because of my gender, I should sacrifice my mind, my heart, my will and my dreams to someday maybe qualify as worthy of a man's love and of a silent God's grace is a threat to my well-being, my freedom and my humanness.

Fundamentalist men's demands that women be silent, and that we be grateful for it, are not just a difference of opinion but a warning of their very real policy of cultic religious abuse.

Such demands for total power and control over women are not just unhealthy but obscene to the point of sociopathic.

But let's take a look at this, shall we?

"Slavery and perpetual shame ... under the guise of morality." Sounds awful, doesn't it? So oppressive! But the truth is, we are slaves either to sin or to Christ. One or the other. There is no in between, there is no middle of the road. One is born into servitude, like it or not (Romans 6:22). The prudent thing to do is learn how to exchange your master from one that leads to eternal damnation, to one that leads to eternal life (Matthew 25:46).

Now who's the sociopath? The one who wants people to run towards Hell, or the one who wants to save souls?

[mgreigns]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

This has to be the best sign I have ever read and very true!


I have to agree with Mr. Farmer's handling of the situation as well. If I make a phone call, I tend to keep it short and to the point! None of this gushy nonsense to build their sinful egos! I find that something along the lines of "See you in hell......from Heaven" will do it for me.

I'm proud of my children who spent the day sharing the Good News on "Mother's Day" that God will not tolerate uppity women. In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, the heavy metal band Slipknot played their death culture music, but some of us reminded the party goers the real party doesn't happen if they don't repent.





Hemant Mehta, the "friendly" atheist posted about this. I like the following comment because it shows the mental gymnastics heathens do in order to avoid facing the superior logic of the Bible:

A reader by the name of "OooShiny" made this comment:



But let's take a look at this, shall we?

"Slavery and perpetual shame ... under the guise of morality." Sounds awful, doesn't it? So oppressive! But the truth is, we are slaves either to sin or to Christ. One or the other. There is no in between, there is no middle of the road. One is born into servitude, like it or not (Romans 6:22). The prudent thing to do is learn how to exchange your master from one that leads to eternal damnation, to one that leads to eternal life (Matthew 25:46).

Now who's the sociopath? The one who wants people to run towards Hell, or the one who wants to save souls?

[Jim Farmer]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Brother Farmer handled this atrocious holiday very well. I on the other hand am concerned that I may have sent my mother an email which, while full of hatred, was a bit too long. This leaves open the possibility that she may have derived some pleasure from the time spent reminiscing about her estranged child. What can I do to ensure that my mother knows I have nothing but hatred for her, in accordance with the precepts of Christ?

Brother Billy Bob, I don't think it matters. Do you care how she feels? Of course not. Her sadness or joy is irrelevant.

[refridgerator]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.

Yes, of course! Words mean what your priest tells you they mean.





P.S. it's called "catechism" in English.

[GreekFreedom]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.

Pray tell, where did you learn this false doctrine? From the idolatrous Catholic "Church" that has such shameful lust for Jesus' mother? I'm not surprised.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.

Dear sinner,

Let us go through this with Biblical Skepticism. It is the method that Creation Science uses when it encounters allegations that seem to be too good to be True™. Unfortunately, secular science has hijacked this method and, thus, it has become less and less popular among Bible Students. Are there data that do not yield support for your claim and, if there are, are they of such importance that your hypothesis should be dismissed?

The verse in question:
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

• Your hypothesis: "Hate" means "love less".

As silly as it may seem, we have to turn to Greek here. Before American became the most important vernacular on Earth, God used Greek to communicate His Will. The word we're examining is μισέω. It occurs about 40 times in the New Testament and more in the LXX.

The root is a substantive μῖσος ("hate, hatred"). Let us see how this fits the verse we're about to discuss:
Hypothetical Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and love not his father less, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρός με καὶ οὐ μισεῖ [active indicative present, third person singular] τὸν πατέρα αὐτοῦ καὶ τὴν μητέρα καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα καὶ τὰ τέκνα καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς καὶ τὰς ἀδελφάς, ἔτι τε καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἑαυτοῦ, οὐ δύναται εἶναί μου μαθητής.)

Less than what? Less than previously? It does not state "less than Jesus". Would God have been so ambiguous? Your claim is charming and alluring as it demands less from us than total obedience to Jesus would. Your version makes the verse extremely complicated and messy requiring thousands of pages of commantaries - which is exactly what the false Churches want to do. Next, we examine how well this alternative translation of yours fits some other occurrences of the verb μισέω.

Hebrews 1:9
Thou [referring to God] hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην καὶ ἐμίσησας [aorist active indicative, second person singular] ἀνομίαν· διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε, ὁ Θεός, ὁ Θεός σου ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου.)

Here we have an actual comparison between two things, so grammatically we can use your suggestion here better than in the Luke example. Let us see:

Hypothetical Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and loved iniquity less; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

No way! This would mean that God loves righteousness but He also loves iniquity (lawlessness) - He just loves iniquity less but still holds it dear. Perhaps the Gospels will save your hypothesis? Everyone loves John 3:16. That chapter also contains an example that we can examine.

John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (πᾶς γὰρ ὁ φαῦλα πράσσων μισεῖ [present active indicative, first person singular] τὸ φῶς καὶ οὐκ ἔρχεται πρὸς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα μὴ ἐλεγχθῇ τὰ ἔργα αὐτοῦ·)

Light, obviously, is Jesus (John 1:4).

Hypothetical John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil loveth the light less, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

This is exactly what the false prophets (i.e., false Christian teachers) would like us to hear (Matthew 7:15)! Now we can see that we have reached the roots of this "alternative translation". This verse in its hypothetical form would tell us that the evil-doers actually love Jesus but they only love Him slightly less than regular Christians™. This is the doctrine that everyone "gets into Heaven" with some light entertaining Repentance followed by more evil-doing as "they love Jesus in their own way". This is the doctrine that makes the Bible unnecessary by distorting its message deliberately.

Finally, we can look at the LXX to see how well your suggestion fits the OT.

Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate. (καὶ ἀπέστειλα πρὸς ὑμᾶς τοὺς παῖδάς μου τοὺς προφήτας ὄρθρου καὶ ἀπέστειλα λέγων μὴ ποιήσητε τὸ πρᾶγμα τῆς μολύνσεως ταύτης ἧς ἐμίσησα [active indicative aorist, first person singular])

And the hypothetical Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I love less.

This section begins by quoting God, so it is God speaking in verse Jeremiah 44:4. This would mean that God loves the abominable things but just less than nice things. While Isaiah 45:7 yields some support to this view, it is still a bit far-fetched, isn't it? Please keep in mind also that the translators of LXX used their own living vernacular to choose the suitable words for the Hebrew vocabulary, Hebrew that was not any more actively spoken at the time but that still was connected by an unbroken line to the days when Moses wrote down God's original musings.

Conclusions:

• Your hypothesis of replacing "hate" with "loving less" thus hits insurmountable contradictions and obstacles. It is best that we dismiss it. Jesus really requires a lot from us. He wants us to hate our siblings and progenitors and spouses. On the other hand, why should the VIP pass to Heaven's Backstage come cheap?
• Your catechism classes fail. The actual Bible takes precedence. This is what Skeptical Creation Science is all about! Examine your most beloved ideas against the evidence of the actual Bible and you'll be surprised.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[refridgerator]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Dear sinner,

Let us go through this with Biblical Skepticism. It is the method that Creation Science uses when it encounters allegations that seem to be too good to be True™. Unfortunately, secular science has hijacked this method and, thus, it has become less and less popular among Bible Students. Are there data that do not yield support for your claim and, if there are, are they of such importance that your hypothesis should be dismissed?

The verse in question:
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

• Your hypothesis: "Hate" means "love less".

As silly as it may seem, we have to turn to Greek here. Before American became the most important vernacular on Earth, God used Greek to communicate His Will. The word we're examining is μισέω. It occurs about 40 times in the New Testament and more in the LXX.

The root is a substantive μῖσος ("hate, hatred"). Let us see how this fits the verse we're about to discuss:
Hypothetical Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and love not his father less, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρός με καὶ οὐ μισεῖ [active indicative present, third person singular] τὸν πατέρα αὐτοῦ καὶ τὴν μητέρα καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα καὶ τὰ τέκνα καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς καὶ τὰς ἀδελφάς, ἔτι τε καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἑαυτοῦ, οὐ δύναται εἶναί μου μαθητής.)

Less than what? Less than previously? It does not state "less than Jesus". Would God have been so ambiguous? Your claim is charming and alluring as it demands less from us than total obedience to Jesus would. Your version makes the verse extremely complicated and messy requiring thousands of pages of commantaries - which is exactly what the false Churches want to do. Next, we examine how well this alternative translation of yours fits some other occurrences of the verb μισέω.

Hebrews 1:9
Thou [referring to God] hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην καὶ ἐμίσησας [aorist active indicative, second person singular] ἀνομίαν· διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε, ὁ Θεός, ὁ Θεός σου ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου.)

Here we have an actual comparison between two things, so grammatically we can use your suggestion here better than in the Luke example. Let us see:

Hypothetical Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and loved iniquity less; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

No way! This would mean that God loves righteousness but He also loves iniquity (lawlessness) - He just loves iniquity less but still holds it dear. Perhaps the Gospels will save your hypothesis? Everyone loves John 3:16. That chapter also contains an example that we can examine.

John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (πᾶς γὰρ ὁ φαῦλα πράσσων μισεῖ [present active indicative, first person singular] τὸ φῶς καὶ οὐκ ἔρχεται πρὸς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα μὴ ἐλεγχθῇ τὰ ἔργα αὐτοῦ·)

Light, obviously, is Jesus (John 1:4).

Hypothetical John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil loveth the light less, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

This is exactly what the false prophets (i.e., false Christian teachers) would like us to hear (Matthew 7:15)! Now we can see that we have reached the roots of this "alternative translation". This verse in its hypothetical form would tell us that the evil-doers actually love Jesus but they only love Him slightly less than regular Christians™. This is the doctrine that everyone "gets into Heaven" with some light entertaining Repentance followed by more evil-doing as "they love Jesus in their own way". This is the doctrine that makes the Bible unnecessary by distorting its message deliberately.

Finally, we can look at the LXX to see how well your suggestion fits the OT.

Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate. (καὶ ἀπέστειλα πρὸς ὑμᾶς τοὺς παῖδάς μου τοὺς προφήτας ὄρθρου καὶ ἀπέστειλα λέγων μὴ ποιήσητε τὸ πρᾶγμα τῆς μολύνσεως ταύτης ἧς ἐμίσησα [active indicative aorist, first person singular])

And the hypothetical Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I love less.

This section begins by quoting God, so it is God speaking in verse Jeremiah 44:4. This would mean that God loves the abominable things but just less than nice things. While Isaiah 45:7 yields some support to this view, it is still a bit far-fetched, isn't it? Please keep in mind also that the translators of LXX used their own living vernacular to choose the suitable words for the Hebrew vocabulary, Hebrew that was not any more actively spoken at the time but that still was connected by an unbroken line to the days when Moses wrote down God's original musings.

Conclusions:

• Your hypothesis of replacing "hate" with "loving less" thus hits insurmountable contradictions and obstacles. It is best that we dismiss it. Jesus really requires a lot from us. He wants us to hate our siblings and progenitors and spouses. On the other hand, why should the VIP pass to Heaven's Backstage come cheap?
• Your catechism classes fail. The actual Bible takes precedence. This is what Skeptical Creation Science is all about! Examine your most beloved ideas against the evidence of the actual Bible and you'll be surprised.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Thank you for you aclaration professor. I got used to be refuted for you, and telling the truth, I enjoy it.

I only feel a little diminished in my intellectual capacities.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Thank you for you aclaration professor. I got used to be refuted for you, and telling the truth, I enjoy it.

I only feel a little diminished in my intellectual capacities.

I tend to think you are from South America. In that case, you capacities are not diminished, they were never there.


Once you have that clear, you can rejoice in knowing you have a chance! Read the Bible, become a True Christian and hate your mother, your father, your kids, your country, your race!


Love your neighbors, though.

[refridgerator]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

I tend to think you are from South America. In that case, you capacities are not diminished, they were never there.


Once you have that clear, you can rejoice in knowing you have a chance! Read the Bible, become a True Christian and hate your mother, your father, your kids, your country, your race!


Love your neighbors, though.

And if my neighbour is my mother? An evident contradiction (another one from the Bible!).