[Schopenhauer]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

Whereas the Bible tells us pi is just 3

You can calculate Pi by yourself. It is ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter.

1 Timothy 6: 20
The word science was used by John as a word for knowledge, and they meant that you will not get as much knowledge by "owning the holy ghost" than by following the words of the apostle

My Faith is in me and I know that

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

You can calculate Pi by yourself. It is ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter.

That isn't what the Bible tells us!


1 Kings 7: 23And he maketh the molten sea, ten by the cubit from its edge unto its edge; [it is] round all about, and five by the cubit [is] its height, and a line of thirty by the cubit doth compass it round about;

1 Timothy 6: 20
The word science was used by John as a word for knowledge, and they meant that you will not get as much knowledge by "owning the holy ghost" than by following the words of the apostle

Whether the word means knowledge does not matter. It still tells us to listen to the Bible rather than the words of men claiming they know better.

My Faith is in me and I know that

You claim to have faith, yet you demand proof for the Bible. There is no faith in that.

http://www.exchangedlife.com/Creation/compat.shtml

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Are Evolution and Creation Compatible?

More and more Christians are adopting evolution as a compatible doctrine with the creation story. So is evolution compatible with the Bible? Could God have used evolution to complete creation? No. Evolution is 100% incompatible with the Bible. There are four reasons that evolution could not be in God's plan of creation.
One. Death came by sin. Sin did not enter into the world until after Adam and Eve disobeyed God. Evolution requires death in order to arrive to Adam. Therefore, for a Christian who believes in evolution (even theistic evolution, the 'GAP theory' or progressive evolution) by default, must believe the Bible to be false. Not only do you have to discredit the first 11 chapters of Genesis, but also the New Testament. The foundation of the New Testament is that sin entered through death and Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin (Romans 5:12). The Bible says,
16 ...For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation
17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned ... much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ
You cannot believe Geneses or these passages and believe in evolution. If evolution exists, then the Bible is false. Death did not come by sin but existed millions or billions of years before man arrived. Salvation through Christ is built on the need of salvation born in Genesis. Romans builds the Christian faith on this principles. If this is wrong, so is the gospel of Jesus Christ. There is no middle ground provided by scripture.
Two. The facts don't fit. Every cell, every organ, every organism, every biological function points to detailed design. Every part living processes is so interdependent that anything outside of careful, purposeful design becomes absurd. Sagan once said that each cell contains enough data to fill up one million volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica. Much research has proven that if one function of the cell is removed, the interdependent processes will cease to function and the cell will die. Logic drives us to conclude that if one million volumes of data must be present to sustain life, then everything had to be present at the formation of the cell and had to be added at the exact same instant. There are not numeric odds big enough to sustain these 'by chance' phenomena. Design must be concluded.

Three. Evolution was born out of atheism. The entire purpose of the evolutionary theory was to answer the question of origins without acknowledging a creator. Look at the pioneers of evolution. All of them were atheists. The foundation of evolution was to support atheism. If the foundation is faulty, nothing else matters. You cannot realistically separate evolution from atheism. Evolution teaches people that they are products of chance. They were not designed with a purpose and there is no creator in which we are accountable to. The leading modern preacher of evolution is Richard Dawkins. He said that he believes that atheism is the only logical deduction from evolution.

Four. Anything that takes focus and glory from God is not of God. One common theme throughout the Bible is the importance of giving glory to God. Constantly we are commanded to glorify God because God is worthy. Indeed God is worthy. God created us and the world we live in with amazing detail and design. We will not know until heaven the depth of God creation. In fact, I believe we will have all eternity to continue exploring God's amazing creation. To say that God would use by-chance evolution for creation means that we believe that God is willing to hide behind the scenes allowing creation get the glory of continuing what He started. This is not consistent with scripture. The glory belongs to God and God alone. God created this world and man for His pleasure and His glory. Because evolution draws the world's focus away from God, we know it is not of God.

In conclusion, I believe it is clear that these two world views are incompatible. Trying to unionize creation and evolution is a trend that is growing in the church. Many people try to believe both creation and evolution. This idea began to become popular when the 'Gap Theory' was popularized. If you are not familiar with the Gap theory, it is a theory that there is unwritten history lies between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. Some 'gappers' believe a gap lies between some of the creation stages. The reality is that there is absolutely no scriptural basis at all for any gap. Christians began to turn to alternative creation doctrines when evolutionary 'sciences' became popular. Believing that the facts were against creation, people began to search for ways to marry evolution and creation. This was especially true when the so-called missing links began to be announced. Every missing link has since been disproven. Most curriculums continue to teach the links as fact either out of ignorance or out of denial. One thing I have discovered through many conversations with evolutionist and atheist is that they are ignorant of evolution science. What evolution scientists and researchers have acknowledged as misinformation or theories that have been proven false, the average person still believes as though it were gospel.

Christians as a whole, do a terrible job of defending creation. The evidence presented by the vast majority of Christians usually contains faith answers. I see arguments in response to atheists, "You just have to have faith", or "It is not our place to question, only to believe". How far we have slipped in the Christian world. Christian scientists founded almost every major science. Now the argument is that Christians can't reason but only think in terms of faith. God has provided us with logic, reason and inquisitive minds. It is not a sin to use these tools. Viewing all the evidence drives you back to creation. Christians I have met are often afraid of the evidence because of the fear that the Bible will be proven wrong. Atheists are afraid of the evidence because it undermines their self-lordship doctrines. Atheists toss out any information that does not support evolution or they over simplify it to make it sound like it fits the evolution model.

Evolutionists accuse Christians of not knowing the facts. Many times this is true. I have concluded that both sides are guilty of ignorance regarding the facts. The difference is that atheists/evolutionists do a much better job of intimidation than Christians do. Atheists are very quick to call themselves intellectual and have their cannons loaded with a handful of facts. When you begin to dig in, you find that atheists are completely clueless as well. Most do not know why they believe, they only repeat what they hear or they consult infidel.org or some of the other atheist information centers. The problem with this information is the simplistic reasoning. Evolution always begins at a complex starting point and goes from there. If you can stop the argument from going forward and target questions back to 'how did you get at this starting point?' we find the argument crumbles very quickly. When you dig into the grass roots of creation, they have no explanations. Every atheist will immediately jump to intimidation and name calling when questioned on the logical level. This is their only defense because evolution does not add up.

Evolution springs from a lack of knowledge. It can only survive with missing pieces. The more information included in the discussion, the more leaks the evolutionary argument springs. Evolution's greatest weapon is ignorance of Christians. Most people (Christians included) accept evolution at face value. When we toss out the argument of simplicity and really begin to look at how this design could happen by chance, there is absolutely no logic that points to evolution."

[True Disciple]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

First: Physics like atoms and stuff is mathematically proven
So, as long as you think 1+1=2 atoms exists

That's one of the worst atheist argumentations I've ever seen. What do atoms have to do with 1 + 1 being 2?
Have you ever held an atom? Have you ever even seen one? No one has. Then why should we believe in this unbiblical nonsense? The Bible plainly states:

Colossians 1:16-17:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Jesus is the one who holds together matter, which means that matter is made of Christium, not atoms.

Because of that, the radio carbon method is real and working
so you know that dinosaurs existed before the homo sapiens exists and then they died out

1. I've already proven that your presumption of atoms is faulty
2. Even if it weren't, that would imply nothing over decay rates of atoms
3. If secular science were true, which it isn't, then they still do not use radiocarbon dating for dinosaur fossils, because the halflife of carbon-14 would be too short to "date" fossils of supposed ages of hunderds of millions of years

Yes but humans are not
and who wrote the bible?

God did:

2 Timothy 3:16-17:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Read the Bible, you uneducated lunatic!

If you're interested in it , do a research by yourself
If you think its wrong, proof mathematically that atoms can't exist

Why should we prove that atoms do not exist? The burden of proof is on you, stupid boy. Positive proof is required for atoms. Otherwise, I might just as well say: All matter is made up of tiny potatoes. If you think it's wrong, prove that it isn't!

You can calculate Pi by yourself. It is ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter.

We shouldn't calculate anything by ourselves, as long as the Bible provides us with a clear answer:

2 Chronicles 4:2:
Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

30/10=3. What part of that do you not understand?

[Crocodile]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

As a historian, I do wonder this myself. Are we to trust grave-digging archaeologists?

I do not think that these people can ever be trusted to tell the truth, and they certainly can't make their minds up on the supposed "past". These dinosaur bones have not ever been proven to exist. Has anyone ever seen a dinosaur? Are there records of their existence? Were they EVER mentioned in the bible?

The answer is obviously, no.

[True Disciple]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

As a historian, I do wonder this myself. Are we to trust grave-digging archaeologists?

I do not think that these people can ever be trusted to tell the truth, and they certainly can't make their minds up on the supposed "past". These dinosaur bones have not ever been proven to exist. Has anyone ever seen a dinosaur? Are there records of their existence? Were they EVER mentioned in the bible?

The answer is obviously, no.

Your intentions seem to be fine, but you are somewhat misinformed.

1. The Bible speaks quite often about dinosaurs, in the form of behemoths, dragons and leviathans, while a recent theory implies they might be described as snakes as well.
2. We have found a lot of bones, of course. However, in contrast with evilutionist claims, they are found often in the same strata as human bones and trilobites, which effectively destroys their retarded great-age assumption.
3. And those people who dig up dinosaur bones and try to prove their hellish theories with it are called paleontologists, not archaeologists. This is just a detail, of course.

[Whiney teenager]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

We shouldn't calculate anything by ourselves, as long as the Bible provides us with a clear answer:

2 Chronicles 4:2:
Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

30/10=3. What part of that do you not understand?

Wow, are you really that fucking stupid?

[Wide-Open]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

Ehm... so 30/10 is what according to you?

[Whiney teenager]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

Wow, are you trolling or do you really believe that? o.O

EDIT: Removed profanity. My aim is not to offend (I am trying my hardest... honest!), merely to question your beliefs so that I may learn.

[True Disciple]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

EDIT: Removed profanity. My aim is not to offend (I am trying my hardest... honest!), merely to question your beliefs so that I may learn.

I forgive you. Obviously you haven't been raised with True Christian™ Morals. But please try to keep matters a little civil from now on.

On another note, if you want to learn, it might be a better idea to question your own beliefs instead.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

EDIT: Removed profanity. My aim is not to offend (I am trying my hardest... honest!), merely to question your beliefs so that I may learn.

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

My aim is not to offend

You failed. You are a failure.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

EDIT: Removed profanity. My aim is not to offend (I am trying my hardest... honest!), merely to question your beliefs

We have no "beliefs". We have solid facts, that can NOT be questioned!

[Salvation]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

We have no "beliefs". We have solid facts, that can NOT be questioned!

The word of god is truth!

[Salvation]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

The word of god is truth!

I apologise for the above post, I actually recently "found Jesus", though I am not sure exactly my duties as a Christian. I'm hoping you can guide me, and help me find the solution to some of my...problems.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why Aren't Dinosaurs in the Bible?

I apologise for the above post, I actually recently "found Jesus", though I am not sure exactly my duties as a Christian. I'm hoping you can guide me, and help me find the solution to some of my...problems.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.