[Thomas Taylor]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

Hm.. let me rephrase.

I take into account the Bible when talking with True Christians and keep in mind that you think the Bible is true.

We do not think the Holy Bible is the True Word of God. We know it and through our Faith in the Lord's Holy Word we live our lives.

I will suggest the following to you:

Read your Bible, know your Bible and above all Live by your Bible in every way.

I am not going to quote Bible verses to you as we have done that in other threads with no apparent result or change in your attitude.

I will pray that before The Rapture you will finally see The Light and accept Jesus as your own personnal Saviour.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

So on one hand the liebral atheists scream

FEED THE STARVING CHILDREN

Then in the next sentence the same liebral atheists scream

DON'T USE ANY PESTICIDES OR GMO OR ANYTHING THAT WILL INCREASE CROP PRODUCTION, OH AND DON'T GIVE THEM ANY MEAT OR LET THEM HUNT BECAUSE THAT'S MURDER!!!!

So which one is it? Do you want the children fed? Or do you want to make people live by the stupid rules that humanity has never lived by.

[Nobar King]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

People have been using fertilizer and pesticides since the beginning of agriculture. I'm happy to live in an age when you can buy huge ripe tomatoes any month of the year, or a big healthy bunch of celery instead of that stringy 'organic' stuff. I'm surprised that organic people are so happy about their organic foods. Have you ever looked at the organic tables at the Piggly Wiggly? They want you to pay twice as much for vegetables that look like they were grown by a mechanic and not a farmer.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

Brothers and Sisters in Jesus Christ, it is dilemmas like these that we must find ourselves turning to the Bible (KKJV1611) for the Word of God in these matters. In this case we need to look at what Jesus did in what has become known as the "Miracle of the Loaves and Fishes".

When Jesus heard of it, he departed thence by ship into a desert place apart: and when the people had heard thereof, they followed him on foot out of the cities.

And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.

And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.

But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.

And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.

He said, Bring them hither to me.

And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full.

And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children.

- Matthew 14:13-21

Even in Biblical times the people lived by Godly capitalism and the division of labor. Some people were fishermen (as were the apostles), while others raised grains and barley, and still others baked the grains into loaves of bread so that the population could buy them. These were indeed "prepared foods", and even the fish were salted ("chemicals") to preserve them so that they would not rot while they were carried around.

What we have here is an attempt by Obama's SEIU union thugs to falsely appeal to our Holy Bible (KJV16111) to promote their attempts to bankrupt our capitalist economy for their own benefit.

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There are a few holistic visions out there, but I will be focusing on UNITE HERE's cafeteria worker campaign called "Real Food, Real Jobs."

Here's the big idea. In many places, cafeteria workers are increasingly asked to simply heat frozen, pre-packaged foods for students. Raw foods are trucked from farms where they're grown to industrial processing factories, and then frozen before being again trucked hundreds of miles away to universities to be warmed. Wages have been cut in some places as skilled food preparation specialists are replaced by "warmers."

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So UNITE HERE's Local 23 is organizing to build coalitions with community food activists who can help them in their campaign to include wage, real food preparation and sustainability provisions in contracts up for renewal in the next year at five schools here in the Washington, D.C. area: Georgetown Law, American University, Gallaudet University, Howard University and Trinity College.

The message is clear: cafeteria workers want to cook again. There's a consistent message: we love our students, and we want to cook beautiful, healthy foods for them.
…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-john/praying-for-a-holistic-food-movement-in-the-household-of-god_b_2535296.html?utm_hp_ref=religion

God, in His infinite abundance and generosity, gave us the "miracle" of food additives, chemicals, fertilizers, pesticides, and modern industrial processing of foods so that more soldiers for Christ could live on this earth to praise the Honor and Glory of God and praise His Grace.

If Obama's SEIU union thugs had their way they would have forced Jesus to sign a union contract and pay them thousands to set up the preparation and baking of bread in the desert and to run fresh fish from the sea to feed the multitudes. Indeed, their union contracts would not have allowed Jesus' disciples to be "warmers" and pass out the loaves and fishes but would have required more union thugs to be hired to pass out the loaves and fishes.

In retrospect we can only guess what Jesus might have done with these union thugs and their attempts to extort the Son of God, but here is one of my favorite Bible (KJV1611) passages:

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

- 1 Samuel 15:2-3

[Tool of satan]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

So on one hand the liebral atheists scream

FEED THE STARVING CHILDREN

Then in the next sentence the same liebral atheists scream

DON'T USE ANY PESTICIDES OR GMO OR ANYTHING THAT WILL INCREASE CROP PRODUCTION, OH AND DON'T GIVE THEM ANY MEAT OR LET THEM HUNT BECAUSE THAT'S MURDER!!!!

So which one is it? Do you want the children fed? Or do you want to make people live by the stupid rules that humanity has never lived by.

The amount of crops produced isn't the problem, it's the distribution of the crops produced.

I am not suggesting that everyone turn to producing only organic food, I just don't see why you all don't like organic food, when it does not contradict the Bible.

Obviously, for starving children, it is better to have food with some pesticides and chemicals than none at all. However, using dangerous chemicals would not be beneficial in the long run for anyone, so it's probably best to use the least dangerous ones possible or none at all.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

The amount of crops produced isn't the problem, it's the distribution of the crops produced.

I am not suggesting that everyone turn to producing only organic food, I just don't see why you all don't like organic food, when it does not contradict the Bible.

Obviously, for starving children, it is better to have food with some pesticides and chemicals than none at all. However, using dangerous chemicals would not be beneficial in the long run for anyone, so it's probably best to use the least dangerous ones possible or none at all.

Actually, production is the problem. Organic farming doesn't even produce 1/2 of the bushels/acre that modern farming does. But hey, don't tear down the forests to make more farmland either.

Well DDT was pretty much harmless to us humans, but OOOOHHHHHH THINK OF THE POOR FALCON!!!! THEIR EGGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR FOOD AND HEALTH.

BTW, where did you get the idea that "organic"= non-harmful? DEET is less of a carcinogen than Citronella, but which one got banned for "not being natural"?

Here you go, straight out of a LIEBRAL source. Now why didn't this make it into the media?

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html

So what does organic mean? It means that these pesticides, if used, must be derived from natural sources, not synthetically manufactured

When you test synthetic chemicals for their ability to cause cancer, you find that about half of them are carcinogenic.

But when the studies were done [on organic pesticides], the results were somewhat shocking: you find that about half of the natural chemicals studied are carcinogenic as well.

And you wonder why I turned my back on the scientific world?

[Nobar King]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

Obviously, for starving children, it is better to have food with some pesticides and chemicals than none at all. However, using dangerous chemicals would not be beneficial in the long run for anyone, so it's probably best to use the least dangerous ones possible or none at all.

You make it sound like these pesticides are loaded with lead or mercury or something.

[Tool of satan]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

Actually, production is the problem. Organic farming doesn't even produce 1/2 of the bushels/acre that modern farming does. But hey, don't tear down the forests to make more farmland either.

I meant that, at the moment, the reason for starving children isn't production.

Well DDT was pretty much harmless to us humans, but OOOOHHHHHH THINK OF THE POOR FALCON!!!! THEIR EGGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR FOOD AND HEALTH.

Never said that, but no, DDT isn't pretty much harmless. And no, I do not want to get into an argument about "credible" sources, but the Bible doesn't state anything about DDT either.

BTW, where did you get the idea that "organic"= non-harmful? DEET is less of a carcinogen than Citronella, but which one got banned for "not being natural"?

DEET was banned?

Here you go, straight out of a LIEBRAL source. Now why didn't this make it into the media?

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html

Interesting article, they spelled pesticides wrong.. not the point. Anyways, organic food has been proven to be healthier than food enhanced with synthetic chemicals(depends on the chemical). It is also healthier for humans in the long run.

And you wonder why I turned my back on the scientific world?

I don't think you had enough information or looked deeply enough into certain subjects. Or viewed them from as many angles as possible.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

You don't have the information, but you have enough "proof" that organic is healthier.

This "having opinions on things you know nothing about" is a pretty big thing in your life, isn't it. Pesticides, organics, the Bible...

And yes, some countries are moving to ban DEET, others have strictly regulated it. I send "care" packages of the good stuff to Canadian friends all the time.

[Tool of satan]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

You don't have the information, but you have enough "proof" that organic is healthier.

Yes, I do, proof that would be useless to you because you believe the Bible is the only proof.

This "having opinions on things you know nothing about" is a pretty big thing in your life, isn't it. Pesticides, organics, the Bible...

I think this applies to True Christians much more, as shown by your understanding of evolution, scientific theories, and organic food, among other subjects.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

The amount of crops produced isn't the problem, it's the distribution of the crops produced.

I am not suggesting that everyone turn to producing only organic food, I just don't see why you all don't like organic food, when it does not contradict the Bible.

Obviously, for starving children, it is better to have food with some pesticides and chemicals than none at all. However, using dangerous chemicals would not be beneficial in the long run for anyone, so it's probably best to use the least dangerous ones possible or none at all.

Well thank you for pontificating on that utterly useless bit of nonsense.

WHO CARES? God takes care of us you moron. We don't want to listen to you flapping your pie hole all day and all night! Piss off!

[Motty the Zit-Faced Lezbean]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

Pardon for my intrusion, my Father buys cattle every season and near winter he butchers at least 1 and sells the rest for a few hundred profit. He keeps them away from pesticides and such, and they end up tasting great! It's as well organic, and I believe beef isn't vegetarian.
Plus with the vegetables and such they taste better grown the "organic" way as well. My father heads out of town in the summer to get some fresh corn. And our neighbors grow blackberries and peaches that cross the property line, but we bargained with the deal that whats on our side we get. Those as well taste mighty fine.
You might want to consider growing and raising your own food. Not for environmental reasons though, your tastebuds might enjoy it. God gave us animals to do what we wish, and I suggest getting a large green field and raising some cattle for some cooking

[SickSadWorld]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

I have had an extremely bad skin reaction to pesticides- of course I still eat food that has been sprayed, I mean it's virtually impossible not to...

But a few years back we sprayed our garden with pesticides, and I came down with a severe reaction that actually put me in the hospital.

My point is, I don't think they are entirely safe by any standpoint. They're impossible to avoid in such a fast paced, highly populated world... I mean people need to eat, and fast... But it is not fair to say that we should not have the option of being able to eat naturally grown, organic foods. There should always be the option, just in case. Some people may be more prone to these allergies than myself, even. Everybody's gotta eat!

Pretty sure Jesus said that word for word- "Everybody's gotta eat!"- right?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

Pretty sure Jesus said that word for word- "Everybody's gotta eat!"- right?

Maybe in your anime version comic-book story Bible, but here we read God's actual Word, as dictated by Him, to be found in the King James Version Holy Bible. In the meantime, please introduce yourself HERE so we can greet you properly! Be sure to read this helpful guide for newcomers, and remember, if you want to share your opinion, kindly provide the scriptural support for it.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Pray Holistic Foods Disappear Down a Hole

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Pretty sure Jesus said that word for word- "Everybody's gotta eat!"- right?

Wrong Sick, Jesus had a little provision attached to that little pronouncement of yours:

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

- 2 Thessalonians 3:10

Even the communist Lenin agreed.