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    Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

    Atheists love to play on words. You’ve probably heard atheists say they lack belief in a god or gods. You see, if they say they believe God doesn’t exist, that puts the burden of proof on them. So they try to shift the burden of proof back onto us by using a subtle play on words. They say they simply don’t believe God exists. But we know from the Bible that this is just not true. Deep down, everyone believes the God of the Bible exists.

    Rom 1:18-20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    I have often wondered how best to counter the argument that atheists simply lack faith. And then I found this post on Ray Comfort’s Facebook page.

    “Since you're an expert on atheists... tell me what exactly is it they ‘believe?" Mick Aswell

    Ray Comfort: They believe that they have no beliefs in any gods. They believe in evolution. If you don’t believe that, check out www.evolutionvsGod.comand listen to them say what they believe.

    So according to Ray, an atheist believes he has no belief in God. It is a faith-based position. Deep down, the atheist believes God exists, but he believes he doesn’t believe He does.

    So next time you hear an atheist say he lacks belief in God, challenge him to support his claim that he believes he doesn’t believe in God.

    Christians can play at word games too. This little semantic trick shifts the burden of proof back onto the atheist. Atheism does require faith. Atheists must justify their beliefs.
    sigpicMt 21:42, 44 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes . . . ? And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

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    Tags: apologetics, atheism, atheists, ray comfort
  • #2
    Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

    Amen, Dr. Pim. Atheists actually make everything a lot more difficult by adding an extra layer of faith that isn't even required (not to mention a superfluous layer of denial).

    I think it's part of their maniacal insistence on making everything more difficult and complicated than it has to be. For instance: we as True Christians(tm) believe that God created everything. BAM! That's it.

    Meanwhile they insist on all kinds of improbable conditions and reliance on "research" by faceless people who change their theories on a yearly basis. For them to claim they don't have faith is simply laughable and frankly a little sad.

    YiC,

    Zech
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    • #3
      Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

      Amen. It takes more faith to be an atheist than it does to simply acknowledge the Truth written even on their black little hearts. It's like arguing against air just because you can't see it. But the whole time they are going red in the face arguing against that which they know to be true, they are doing so by inhaling and exhaling that very air they are pretending to not believe in.

      When atheists pretend to not believe in God, they are merely suppressing their knowledge of Him. Without the LORD, they would not even be able to make their fallacious and ignorant arguments.

      And Romans 1, as you pointed out, confirms that the knowledge of God is manifest within them. Atheists know that God exists. It's undeniable. But because their black, twisted hearts are so filled with rebellion against Him, they suppress that knowledge.

      But in order to suppress the Truth, you have to have the Truth!

      Undeniable evidence of God is all around us, so their refusal to acknowledge Him, much less glorify Him, is without excuse. This is why they will be resurrected from the dead only to be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8). They come up with all sorts of excuses as to why they shouldn't have to worship their Creator, and their twisted little hearts only grow darker and darker as they persist in the suppression of the Truth all around them.

      Romans 1:21-23
      Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
      Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
      And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

      They are, without variation, stupid and ridiculous people, so prideful and full of rebellion that they create an entire religion around the denial of the Truth all around them. It's pathetic.
      II Thessalonians 1:7-9
      And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
      In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
      Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power
      The man who is being progressively sanctified will inescapably sanctify his home, school, politics, economics, science, and all things else by understanding and interpreting all things in terms of the Word of God and by bringing all things under the Dominion of Christ the King. -R.J. Rushdoony

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      • #4
        Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

        Excellent thread, Dr. Pendergast.

        I have been told by God-hating atheists before that I am the one making the extraordinary claim, and therefore the burden of proof is upon me. I am sure many of us here have been assaulted by this same inane tomfoolery.

        I counter naturally with the statement that saying the universe and all its complexity just happening as a result of random chance is by far the more extraordinary claim. Even a dim-witted child can see this.

        Brother Zechariah also makes an excellent point regarding the layer upon layer of increasing complexity the atheist must blindly believe in order to deny God's obvious role in creation. The ever-increasing list of virtually impossible assumptions one must swallow to have faith in modern cosmology is quite staggering.

        Brother Jedediah's statement that atheists actually know God exists, as does every human being that has ever lived, make perfect sense too. They are either brainwashed into denial as children by evil parents who prey on the impressionable young minds of children, or they purposefully lie, motivated by a desire to mercilessly torture God and gain approval from their master, Satan. I enjoy the knowledge that this approval will do them no good come judgement day. Their "god" will be shackled and powerless...Amen!!!

        I have to say that I rather enjoy watching an atheist's face turn red with anger when he sees that I see through his twisted efforts to deny the obvious glory of God's handiwork. When I smile knowingly, and remind him he will burn forever, I can see the steam rising from his face. He becomes frustrated, flustered, and finally retreats, looking for a hole into which to climb so he can lick his festering wounds.

        Atheism is truly an evil religion, gaining members worldwide at an alarming and accelerating pace. The only solace I find from this, is that it is foretold by God as a sign the end of this contaminated world is near, and we True Christians(tm) will finally be whisked away to glory, and then watch with glee as all those who have maliciously tormented God get their just deserts. Hallelujah!
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        I Kings 7:23

        And he made a moulten Sea, ten cubites from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, & his height was fiue cubits: and a line of thirtie cubites did compasse it round about.

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        • #5
          Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

          Originally posted by Jedediah View Post
          It's like arguing against air just because you can't see it. But the whole time they are going red in the face arguing against that which they know to be true, they are doing so by inhaling and exhaling that very air they are pretending to not believe in.

          When atheists pretend to not believe in God, they are merely suppressing their knowledge of Him. Without the LORD, they would not even be able to make their fallacious and ignorant arguments
          Excellent point! Atheists are suppressing their knowledge of God. I think a lot of atheists have severe psychological problems. Maybe God has tested (1 Peter 1:7) them in a way they think they couldn't stand. Maybe they think God has treated them unfairly. But instead of taking it up in prayer, they pretend God doesn't exist. They are stupid enough to think this makes God go away.
          Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division - Luke 12:51

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          • #6
            Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

            You have brought up an interesting point, Brother Pim.

            I have long since noticed that modern atheists are mostly members of the religion of "there is no God". They seem as obsessed with making sure that everyone knows what they think as the Witnesses are in making sure everyone knows what they think.

            I haven't had any knock on my door yet, in the manner of the Witnesses, but I am sure it is just a matter of time. Door knocking will be costly for them in Texas, as we are armed and it is unwise to anger armed people. However, door knocking will provide martyrs for them, much as the Romans were provided with martyrs to promote their false religion.

            I would not be surprized to find that the atheists have appointed a Pope, in the manner of the Romans, to lead their religion.

            Perhaps the Lord will have a special place prepared for them in Hell, as He has for the Catholics.
            God judgeth the righteous, And God is angry with the wicked every day- Psalm 7:11

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            • #7
              Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

              How about i know god does not exist does that prove you wrong
              Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done
              abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

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              • #8
                Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

                Originally posted by Klinker View Post
                How about i know god does not exist does that prove you wrong
                No, that proves that you are a retarded idiot as even 2 year old children know God exists.

                It's a pity you are too stupid to appreciate the genius that is Pim Pendergast. If you would have the mental capability to understand his post you would have learned that denying God's existence is futile.
                5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
                To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
                James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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                • #9
                  Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

                  Originally posted by Klinker View Post
                  How about i know god does not exist does that prove you wrong
                  Post your irrefutable proof here, NOW.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

                    Originally posted by Klinker View Post
                    How about i know god does not exist
                    Genesis 1:1:"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

                    2 Timothy 3:16:" All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

                    God does exist.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

                      Originally posted by Didymus Much View Post
                      Post your irrefutable proof here, NOW.
                      http://www.kingjamesbibletrust.org/the-king-james-bible/digitized-kjv-of-1611/genesis


                      In case you don't have it in paper...

                      And neither us nor GOD give a rat's fart if you state that you believe in HIM or not (per se, the first point underneath includes a plethora of ways which should mold your speech).

                      The acid test (and the only thing between you and eternity in hell) is threefold:

                      1. That you accept, and follow, ALL his words and laws
                      2. That you accept JESUS and his temporary death as your sole hope of salvation
                      3. That you receive an undeserved Grace from JESUS and be born again in HIS BLOOD

                      As every TRUE CHRISTIAN i pray that it happens to you, thou I find it most unlikely.

                      PRAY TO JESUS!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

                        Originally posted by Klinker View Post
                        How about i know god does not exist does that prove you wrong
                        But that's not what Paul is saying in Romans 1. It's very unambiguous that the TRUTH of God is written on everyone's heart, whether they like it or not. There's no such thing as an atheist newborn, because every baby is born with knowledge of God. It is only through DENIAL of that TRUTH that most people turn away from that very thing that they were born with knowledge of. You can't just turn the tables when the argument is not going your way and shift the burden of proof. You can't just throw out LOGICAL PREMISES because you don't like their implications. Leave it to those who lack the HONESTY and INTELLECTUAL RIGOR to even own up to THAT WHICH THEY KNOW TO BE TRUE to be the most GRIEVOUS PERPETRATORS of MOVING GOALPOSTS on the planet.

                        I'll pray for you, but you seem so set in your SMART ALECK ways that I doubt it will do much good. Have fun in your FANTASY WORLD of MAKE BELIEVE, idiot.
                        LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION (Psalm 139:13-16, Jeremiah 1:5, Job 31:15, Isaiah 49:5)
                        MARRIAGE = 1 MAN + 1 WOMAN (Ephesians 5:22-33)
                        NO FOOD FOR THOSE WHO DON"T WORK (2 Thessalonians 3:10-12)
                        PRACTICING HOMOS AND HOMO-ENABLERS ARE LIVING IN SIN (Romans 1:26-28, 32)
                        BUT JESUS WILL TAKE YOU BACK AND COVER YOU IN HIS BLOOD(1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

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                        • #13
                          Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

                          Originally posted by Didymus Much View Post
                          Post your irrefutable proof here, NOW.
                          Originally posted by see_the_light View Post
                          http://www.kingjamesbibletrust.org/t...f-1611/genesis...
                          I was after the godmocker to post his proof that God does not exist (which proof he must have, else he could not know that God does not exist, hence any such claim would only make him look foolish and/or hypocritical).

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                          • #14
                            Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

                            Originally posted by Didymus Much View Post
                            I was after the godmocker to post his proof that God does not exist (which proof he must have, else he could not know that God does not exist, hence any such claim would only make him look foolish and/or hypocritical).
                            then you should NOT have used the word irrefutable.

                            The only things that are irrefutable are from GOD.

                            PRAISE THE LORD!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Attention atheists: Lacking belief requires faith

                              Originally posted by Klinker View Post
                              How about i know god does not exist does that prove you wrong
                              You atheists are so angry. Because you think your God. You try to act like the real God does when people don't believe in him and banish us to the Hell of you're rage, but the joke is on you. God burns people in Hell because he loves them!
                              Leviticus 13:40 And the man whose hair is fallen off his head, he is bald; yet is he clean.

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