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I glean from your earlier post that you think you're going to Heaven or something.

Originally Posted by parklife

Hi all, greetings from the emerald isle. Having been born into a very religious catholic family and being a firm believer of the goodness of God and the holiness of all his creations, i find the beliefs associated with this forum alien to what my understanding of what a good christian is or what God is. The way God is described here on this forum is more like the devil than the beauty and holiness of the God that i know and love. Why is God so evil to you? The questions asked here are bordering on ugliness and pure ignorance. Jesus would be ashamed of you.

I wondered since you claimed to be “a firm believer of the goodness of God” whether you'd left the congregation that proclaims God a liar—not normally associated with goodness—until you blurted:

Originally Posted by parklife

The franciscans wear hoodies and Jesus more than likely wore a similar attire, so that should answer that.

And it does. I checked a Franciscan site and found some lugubrious idol together with the following blurb:

_http://www.clintonfranciscans.com/our-franciscan-way-francis-and-clare.html
The logo for the Clinton Franciscans is a figure of the "Tau" within a double circle. The "Tau" is a traditional Franciscan symbol whose origin is in the Old Testament. St. Francis used the Tau to sign his name. On one of his journeys to Rome to talk to Pope Innocent III about his new Order, he stopped for Mass at the Church of St. John Lateran. Legend holds that there he heard this reading from Ezekiel, 9:4-6

a Franciscan idol

Really? I have read Ezekiel and didn't recall anything about tau crosses. Just for reference I'll mention that TAU is a Greek letter and it doesn't look like an X.

• tau ·· Τ τ
• chi ·· Χ χ

Ezekiel 9:4-6b KJV
..Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark..

So they just made that bit up.

WARNING:::MULTIPLE IDOLS:::(if anyone looks up the following reference)

Here is the Douay-Rheims false translation of Ezekiel 9 if anyone wants to see their source and boy don't things just get worse! As it happens there is a Hebrew letter with a similar name, maybe that looks like a headless cross?

Hebrew letter ת (sometimes said to look like a tent)

The Bible records an important message for mankind, the most important message ever: how to avoid extermination in the lake of fire and everlasting torment. Franciscans are a variety of monk and monks spend time studying The Bible. They claim to be “the faithful ones of the Lord” to quote that site and although people can dream up anything they like or make out that God has obscured His important message so that only advanced scholars can understand it, what He says is actually very straightforward. That hideous idol, for instance [RIGHT]. Here is what God commands about making such images, regardless of whether anyone worships or venerates or bows before the thing, and God is very clear.

Exodus 20:4 KJV
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

And yet there they are, plonked on the Franciscan site, plastered all over the Douay-Rheims page by page, the very opposite of what God has commanded and yet they claim to be faithful? Faithful to what?

Parklife, you exemplify such ignorance. God is very well described; if deciding that the descriptions need correcting or sanitising in some way or are flat out wrong then why continue to indoctrinate children in what are lies? Moon worshippers disbelieve The Bible and set up moon idols all over the place. Atheists, cannibals, witchdoctors, none of them claim to be faithful which at least is honest. They might know what God has explained or how He has been described and either don't care or announce that Exodus is contradicted by something else (archæology is often cited) but how as a catholic can you believe in the goodness of God yet say that in Exodus He was telling lies? Why not give it up altogether?

Originally Posted by parklife

Hi all, greetings from the emerald isle. Having been born into a very religious catholic family and being a firm believer of the goodness of God and the holiness of all his creations, i find the beliefs associated with this forum alien to what my understanding of what a good christian is or what God is. The way God is described here on this forum is more like the devil than the beauty and holiness of the God that i know and love. Why is God so evil to you? The questions asked here are bordering on ugliness and pure ignorance. Jesus would be ashamed of you.

But perhaps I'm mistaken so in your introduction if you could give an example of where catholicism does heed God's important message that would be great and we can welcome you to the forum there.