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Bible Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did? - 07-18-2017, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by refridgerator View Post
In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.

Dear sinner,

Let us go through this with Biblical Skepticism. It is the method that Creation Science uses when it encounters allegations that seem to be too good to be True™. Unfortunately, secular science has hijacked this method and, thus, it has become less and less popular among Bible Students. Are there data that do not yield support for your claim and, if there are, are they of such importance that your hypothesis should be dismissed?

The verse in question:
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and
hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
  • Your hypothesis: "Hate" means "love less".
As silly as it may seem, we have to turn to Greek here. Before American became the most important vernacular on Earth, God used Greek to communicate His Will. The word we're examining is μισέω. It occurs about 40 times in the New Testament and more in the LXX.

The root is a substantive μῖσος ("hate, hatred"). Let us see how this fits the verse we're about to discuss:
Hypothetical Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and
love not his father less, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρός με καὶ οὐ μισεῖ [active indicative present, third person singular] τὸν πατέρα αὐτοῦ καὶ τὴν μητέρα καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα καὶ τὰ τέκνα καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς καὶ τὰς ἀδελφάς, ἔτι τε καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἑαυτοῦ, οὐ δύναται εἶναί μου μαθητής.)

Less than what? Less than previously? It does not state "less than Jesus". Would God have been so ambiguous? Your claim is charming and alluring as it demands less from us than total obedience to Jesus would. Your version makes the verse extremely complicated and messy requiring thousands of pages of commantaries - which is exactly what the false Churches want to do. Next, we examine how well this alternative translation of yours fits some other occurrences of the verb μισέω.

Hebrews 1:9
Thou [referring to God] hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
(ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην καὶ ἐμίσησας [aorist active indicative, second person singular] ἀνομίαν· διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε, ὁ Θεός, ὁ Θεός σου ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου.)

Here we have an actual comparison between two things, so grammatically we can use your suggestion here better than in the Luke example. Let us see:

Hypothetical Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and loved iniquity less; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


No way! This would mean that God loves righteousness but He also loves iniquity (lawlessness) - He just loves iniquity less but still holds it dear. Perhaps the Gospels will save your hypothesis? Everyone loves John 3:16. That chapter also contains an example that we can examine.

John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil
hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
(πᾶς γὰρ ὁ φαῦλα πράσσων μισεῖ [present active indicative, first person singular] τὸ φῶς καὶ οὐκ ἔρχεται πρὸς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα μὴ ἐλεγχθῇ τὰ ἔργα αὐτοῦ·)

Light, obviously, is Jesus (John 1:4).

Hypothetical John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil
loveth the light less, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.


This is exactly what the false prophets (i.e., false Christian teachers) would like us to hear (Matthew 7:15)! Now we can see that we have reached the roots of this "alternative translation". This verse in its hypothetical form would tell us that the evil-doers actually love Jesus but they only love Him slightly less than regular Christians™. This is the doctrine that everyone "gets into Heaven" with some light entertaining Repentance followed by more evil-doing as "they love Jesus in their own way". This is the doctrine that makes the Bible unnecessary by distorting its message deliberately.

Finally, we can look at the LXX to see how well your suggestion fits the OT.

Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I
hate.
(καὶ ἀπέστειλα πρὸς ὑμᾶς τοὺς παῖδάς μου τοὺς προφήτας ὄρθρου καὶ ἀπέστειλα λέγων μὴ ποιήσητε τὸ πρᾶγμα τῆς μολύνσεως ταύτης ἧς ἐμίσησα [active indicative aorist, first person singular])

And the hypothetical Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I
love less.


This section begins by quoting God, so it is God speaking in verse Jeremiah 44:4. This would mean that God loves the abominable things but just less than nice things. While Isaiah 45:7 yields some support to this view, it is still a bit far-fetched, isn't it? Please keep in mind also that the translators of LXX used their own living vernacular to choose the suitable words for the Hebrew vocabulary, Hebrew that was not any more actively spoken at the time but that still was connected by an unbroken line to the days when Moses wrote down God's original musings.

Conclusions:
  • Your hypothesis of replacing "hate" with "loving less" thus hits insurmountable contradictions and obstacles. It is best that we dismiss it. Jesus really requires a lot from us. He wants us to hate our siblings and progenitors and spouses. On the other hand, why should the VIP pass to Heaven's Backstage come cheap?
  • Your catechism classes fail. The actual Bible takes precedence. This is what Skeptical Creation Science is all about! Examine your most beloved ideas against the evidence of the actual Bible and you'll be surprised.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer


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