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Originally Posted by HisNoodlyAppendage2
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I have no idea what you were trying to show with those links. That Jesus never existed and was deluded at the same time? One of them had a nice starry background which was appropriate so let's have a look at that one.
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Mary.….could have just told a big lie and started Christianity. She would have had to tell Jesus that he was the son of God to keep the lie going, so he grew up really believing God was his father.….This inspired him and connected him to the collective unconscious
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Your idea seems to be that since The Bible is wrong about Jesus we need to read The Bible to find out the truth about Jesus who never actually existed. At least not in the form described in The Bible. This segues into another topic: the Criterion of Multiple Attestation.
You are presenting a Jesus who wanders about in some deluded state, fed lies which are perpetuated by Mary and I guess by Joseph or perhaps Jesus was deaf? People having mistaken ideas about their own parentage get suggestions from many sources, especially as they're growing up. Not only does The Bible confirm that popular opinion but there are multiple attestations to the fact. This is called a double whammy.
MARK 6 .KJV . look up .. context
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
MATTHEW 13 .KJV . look up
55-56a Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?
JOHN 6 .KJV . look up
41-42 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
All together these are pretty consistent testimonies to what was said about the parents, and brothers and sisters, of Jesus. I've highlighted the place in John where it's even made clear that such comments WERE addressed to Him. This is a man in His 30's by the way; that's three decades of comments from the group mind which you will recall Jesus was supposed to channel to perform miracles. To support such a claim it would be needed to show how the group mind
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.I am not claiming that any such thing exists but it is a central tenet in this piece
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.can restore life to humans perceived as dead.
There are two angles in the secularist world on this subject and although Christians reject both of them that doesn't mean we don't know what they are. Firstly there's the supra-consciousness paradigm which arises flamelike from the meagre coals of individual consciousness in a group setting. The idea seems to be that the magnetic field surrounding a brain communicates with other brains by modulating the geomagnetic field perhaps akin to a radio signal modulating a carrier wave. The signal remains weak but does not deteriorate and upon arrival can be integrated into the other brains by an undescribed process. Several
could be suggested but none
have been so we are right to reject this approach.
A second angle takes the opposite approach. Humans, they say, have a unique consciousness deriving from the cerebral cortex which enables us to reflect on our own behaviour. "Wow!" such a secularist may say, "Did I just do that?" and then obsess over
why for an extended period possibly writing a few books about how when we encounter our own instincts it
seems like a higher power reaching into our lives but in reality is nothing more than all the other brain activity manifesting from reflexes or the limbic system or something. Again, the word
something is critical here and we are right to reject the infra-consciousness paradigm too.
I can't be bothered to cover any more of that. A single example explains why ..well, to any rational person but woo-meisters are not rational are they.
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The story: The resurrection story comes from just one place, Paul, and he was not even there, so he could have just made it up to help make the new religion he was promoting more successful.
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..and before you die laughing I'll just link to the sources:
Matthew 28,
Mark 16,
Luke 24,
John 20 and Luke again. When people abandon belief in God they don't believe nothing. They'll believe anything.