[Bobby-Joe]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

You're taking the easy way out - trusting a supernatural being to have created everything so you don't have to think about it. I'm not a biologist - and neither do I have to be one - to say I do not believe in god.

COWARD

Atheists have said they would become believers or at lest agnostics if we Theists were to show you just the shadow of the hemline of the robes of God. I just did just that. Now if you can't provide a naturalistic explanation of anally insertable cucumbers then logically there had to be a supernatural one.

Face it, I have you stuck on this cucumber dilemma.

[Brother Enoch]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

If you read my original post, I asked how you can say that you have proof that God exists. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

Because you say so? You started this thread. In doing so you implied God does not exist, the burden of proof is on YOU. I made no claims at all, how can the burden of proof be on me?

You're not very good at this, are you?

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

Answer me please. Religion is faith. Baptists are religious. Faith is something you believe in, but cannot prove, therefore I ask you how you can say you've found "proof" that god exists.

Also, I must say I laughed out very, very loud when I saw that youtube-video that "proved" gods existance. Awesome logic: God created the bible, the bible says God exists, ergo he exists. That must be the lamest circular argumentation I've read so far.

And please try to be objective and answer me on everything I wrote or don't answer me at all.

Try the reverse logic. You do not have faith, therefore God does not exist. Just as hollow, isn't it? So we can say, either e does or does not, based on your logic and the logic I presented, right friend? We need something to sway the voter as it were. Ah, we have the Bible. The Bible does state God exists. So that makes it two for God, one against. Then we have the billions of believers. That makes billions plus 2 to your one. We can try to add atheists but they are a wide group. Not all atheists say God does not exist, they state that either they choose not to follow Him or they do not believe. I figure they end up being a wash. So we are down to a billion plus two to your one.


Check and mate, my friend.

Would you like to play again? This questions is like checkers and God always gets to go first.

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

COWARD

Atheists have said they would become believers or at lest agnostics if we Theists were to show you just the shadow of the hemline of the robes of God. I just did just that. Now if you can't provide a naturalistic explanation of anally insertable cucumbers then logically there had to be a supernatural one.

Face it, I have you stuck on this cucumber dilemma.

You have stuck me on an irrelevant dilemma - you think it's God, I don't know what it is, but I choose to believe everything happens naturally and most things are up to chance.

Because you say so? You started this thread. In doing so you implied God does not exist, the burden of proof is on YOU. I made no claims at all, how can the burden of proof be on me?

You're not very good at this, are you?

I started this thread asking how you (not you as in you personally, but you as in you people (I assume you understood that)) can say you know god exists. I never said he doesn't, so the burden of proof does not lie on me.

Try the reverse logic. You do not have faith, therefore God does not exist. Just as hollow, isn't it? So we can say, either e does or does not, based on your logic and the logic I presented, right friend? We need something to sway the voter as it were. Ah, we have the Bible. The Bible does state God exists. So that makes it two for God, one against. Then we have the billions of believers. That makes billions plus 2 to your one. We can try to add atheists but they are a wide group. Not all atheists say God does not exist, they state that either they choose not to follow Him or they do not believe. I figure they end up being a wash. So we are down to a billion plus two to your one.


Check and mate, my friend.

Would you like to play again? This questions is like checkers and God always gets to go first.

Wow, that's some advanced logic there. A billion people believes it, so it must be true. In the past, people thought the world was flat. Does that make it true?

I love your argumentation, guys: God exists, God is always right, I rest my case, period.

[GOD=life]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

What a cheap trick - I hope your intelligence doesn't reflect the rest of the people in this cult

That's dodging the question, friend. We're used to being persecuted by intolerant people, so insulting our considerable intelligence won't faze us.

Again: how do YOU know God does NOT exist? Where does everything come from then? I gigantic explosion? Suuuuuure.

What you have done is to believe in a two thousand years old book.

Which is, of course, very "silly" compared to believing in a billions year old universe.

I believe there is no such thing as a supernatural thing...

Strange thing to say for "I'mAbeliever". What DO you believe in then? Nothing? How can you prove God does not exist? Please provide EVIDENCE! An argument from incredulity is nothing more than an informal fallacy, which has no place in rational discourse.

True Christians care very much about rational arguments based on evidence and logic, which in turn is squarely based and confirmed by the KJV 1611 Bible.

I believe in facts, for example: the earth is more than 6000 years old.

The earth isn't exactly 6000 years old, no. It can be a bit older. This figure also changes all the time. For example, supposing the earth was exactly 6028 years old in 2009, then it's 6029 years old in 2010 and 6030 years in 2011 and so on.

If you really believe the world is around 6000 years old then I feel sorry for you - but luckily you're a dying race.

That sounds rather hateful. That's the difference between atheists and Christians: an atheists wants you to die and cease existing. When Christians are "hateful", it's because they WANT your eternal soul to live on FOREVER in Heaven.

Atheists hate everyone, even eachother. That's why they can't organize themselves properly. They don't have friends. At best, they have allies.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

how you can say you've found "proof" that god exists

We humble people have limited capabilities. If you really read the entire KJV1611 Holy Bible you will notice it is so perfect, so extremely consistent, so crystal clear, that no ordinary person could ever have written it. So the sheer quality of the book proves that it is created by someone with capabilities far beyond that of a human being.

Since the Holy Bible clearly could not have been written by a mere mortal and also clearly states to be the word of God: 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" logic dictates there can be only one conclusion. God exists and the Holy Bible is His word!

I think your problem is that you did not actually read the entire Holy Bible. Your opinion of the Holy Bible is based on hearsay. If you actually paid some attention during that education of yours instead of masturbating all the time you would have learned that you have to research the facts before you draw your conclusion. The facts here being the contents of the Holy Bible.

Well what is it going to be? Ignorance or enlightenment?

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

know[/B] god exists. I never said he doesn't, so the burden of proof does not lie on me.
Wow, that's some advanced logic there. A billion people believes it, so it must be true. In the past, people thought the world was flat. Does that make it true?
I love your argumentation, guys: God exists, God is always right, I rest my case, period.

Everything is a consesus of opinon, even math. The color that you percieve as Blue, is an opinion. Everyone has agreed that the color they see as Blue is Blue.
1+1 = 2 is an opinion. Everyone has agreed what 1 means, what 2 means and that 1+1=2.
Everyone has agreed God exists. So with the same faith that the color Blue is Blue, that 1+1=2, we beleive God is amoung us. If you doubt God, then you doubt everything.
See son, you are a waffler. Afraid to make a commitment because you might be wrong. We are not wafflers. We know we are right. You are going to forever live in a world of doubt and uncertainty. I almost feel sorry for you.
I am glad to know you have given up. Accept Jesus Christ into your life, let Him fill you with His glory.


YIC
JH

[SUV]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

Wow

If the un$avED say "wow" to us one more time I Believe I'm gonna have an apoplexy.

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

That's dodging the question, friend. We're used to being persecuted by intolerant people, so insulting our considerable intelligence won't faze us.

I'm intolerant? I'm just asking how you can, from an objective point of view, prove that God exists.

Again: how do YOU know God does NOT exist?

I have never said I have proof - or that I know - he doesn't exist. You, on the other hand, have. Therefore, your question is irrelevant.

Where does everything come from then? I gigantic explosion? Suuuuuure.

I don't know. That's the beauty of it. I want to know, do research, find out.

Which is, of course, very "silly" compared to believing in a billions year old universe.

It's already been proven the earth is a lot more than 6000 years old - I think there are only a few small cults that believes otherwise.

Strange thing to say for "I'mAbeliever". What DO you believe in then? Nothing?

I believe that there is no such thing as supernatural, and that everything can be explained without the need of a supernatural being.

How can you prove God does not exist? Please provide EVIDENCE!

I've never said I have evidence he doesn't exist, because there is no way - at all - to prove that something doesn't exist. I can say I have an invisible pink elephant in my back yard - can you prove otherwise? No, I have to prove that I do. That's why you're the ones who needs to supply us with proof, not the other way around.

True Christians care very much about rational arguments based on evidence and logic, which in turn is squarely based and confirmed by the KJV 1611 Bible.

The Bible is not sufficient evidence - as it's only a book. Yes, it's only a book. Nothing more, nothing less - no matter what you believe in.

The earth isn't exactly 6000 years old, no. It can be a bit older. This figure also changes all the time. For example, supposing the earth was exactly 6028 years old in 2009, then it's 6029 years old in 2010 and 6030 years in 2011 and so on.

I never said exactly 6000 years either. Still, do you actually believe the earth is only 6000 years old? Do you believe it's flat too?

That sounds rather hateful. That's the difference between atheists and Christians: an atheists wants you to die and cease existing.

Die and cease existing - exactly! There is nothing more to it. You're born, you get children, you die. It's the circle of life, and only people who needs something more to live for is religious.

When Christians are "hateful", it's because they WANT your eternal soul to live on FOREVER in Heaven.

Oh, right, you're not hateful at all. "Everyone who doesn't believe shall burn and suffer in Hell for all eternity". That's not hateful at all! And you say you're tolerant.

Atheists hate everyone, even eachother. That's why they can't organize themselves properly. They don't have friends. At best, they have allies.

No they don't, they hate intolerant people. Most atheists approves of homosexuality, that's tolerant. Do you approve of that? If not, then you're intolerant.

We humble people have limited capabilities. If you really read the entire KJV1611 Holy Bible you will notice it is so perfect, so extremely consistent, so crystal clear, that no ordinary person could ever have written it. So the sheer quality of the book proves that it is created by someone with capabilities far beyond that of a human being.

There are unbelievably many inconsistencies in the bible, it's not perfect - not even close.

I think your problem is that you did not actually read the entire Holy Bible.

An inconsistent fairy tale from 2000 years ago? No thank you.

If you actually paid some attention during that education of yours instead of masturbating all the time you would have learned that you have to research the facts before you draw your conclusion. The facts here being the contents of the Holy Bible.

Haha, that's funny - I was masturbating during my education? I could have harassed your belief (an invisible man in the sky who wrote a book), but I won't. Mind you, my grades are high enough to get into med school - luckily our education is based on facts and science - not religion. Damn, I'm glad I live in Europe.

Well what is it going to be? Ignorance or enlightenment?

I would rather know that I don't know than believing in a supernatural being.

Everything is a consesus of opinon, even math. The color that you percieve as Blue, is an opinion. Everyone has agreed that the color they see as Blue is Blue.
1+1 = 2 is an opinion. Everyone has agreed what 1 means, what 2 means and that 1+1=2.
Everyone has agreed God exists. So with the same faith that the color Blue is Blue, that 1+1=2, we beleive God is amoung us. If you doubt God, then you doubt everything.
See son, you are a waffler. Afraid to make a commitment because you might be wrong. We are not wafflers. We know we are right. You are going to forever live in a world of doubt and uncertainty. I almost feel sorry for you.
I am glad to know you have given up. Accept Jesus Christ into your life, let Him fill you with His glory.


YIC
JH

Yes! You are completely right! I doubt everything! I want to learn more. You, on the other hand, don't. That's the definition of scientists: Doubt everything. I can handle the truth - there are nothing more than life and death. Do you know why so many turn to religion when things aren't going their way? To feel that someone cares about them, be a part of a community, or find meaning with life.

Luckily, my life is great and I don't need to be a part of a religious community, I don't need meaning with life, and I don't need to feel that some invisible 'father' in the sky is looking down at me - and that I will have eternal life.

I'm happy with living my life and die peacefully without having to kiss some guy's ass to get into a place where I can live forever.

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

If the un$avED say "wow" to us one more time I Believe I'm gonna have an apoplexy.

I say that word because I wasn't aware of the fact that there still are - in the 21st century - so intolerant people. I've spoken with numerous tolerant, intelligent and generally very smart religious people - but this is just surprising.

I'm getting the feeling you're all trolls - but then again I know there are extremists in every religion.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

I don't need meaning with life

So you are OK with a meaningless life???

[SUV]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

I've spoken with numerous tolerant, intelligent and generally very smart religious people - but this is just surprising.

Bless You© Hon. Perhaps you're not so bad after all

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

So you are OK with a meaningless life???

It depends what your definition of meaningless is. I live for learning, having fun, get married, have children, travel, die. I don't live life on earth to please some guy in heaven so he'll let me live forever

[GOD=life]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

I'm intolerant?

Yes.

I'm just asking how you can, from an objective point of view, prove that God exists.

Can you prove YOU exist? You are setting up a scenario in which the existence of even the most trivial thing cannot be proven. And yet, when you open your eyes and look around, you can see all the things God has created. Then you can realize "this had to come from something INTELLIGENT".

But honestly, it's quite likely you exist. Why? Because we're communicating. But guess what? We communicate with God. What do you think prayer is? Even secular scientists can confirm that the human brain works differently when communicating with God than with an imaginary being (e.g. Santa).

I have never said I have proof - or that I know - he doesn't exist.

So then you live your life on assumptions, not certainties? How can you build a solid moral code and life philosophy when you cannot even know whether God exists?

I don't know.

We do know. Logic dictates that the person who doesn't know should listen to the person who does. Not the other way around.

It's already been proven the earth is a lot more than 6000 years old - I think there are only a few small cults that believes otherwise.

Oh really? Then how about you take a quick look at this anti-Christian website. They are obviously extremely biased since they call us retards:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2680/nearly-half-the-u-s-population-believes-the-earth-is-less-than-10-000-years-old

150 million Americans...... sure, a "small cult"

I can say I have an invisible pink elephant in my back yard - can you prove otherwise? No, I have to prove that I do. That's why you're the ones who needs to supply us with proof, not the other way around.

I know that logic is popular in atheist circles, but it doesn't work.

First, if the elephant is invisible, then how do you know it's pink? That alone makes it implausible.

Secondly, you have to establish neutral criteria to prove existence. For example, the criteria that we can use to prove you or anything else exists should be the same as proving that God exists. You cannot have a special case for God, because that would be biased.

Thirdly, it is normal in rational debate (mathematics in particular) to prove a claim by showing that the opposite would lead to an impossible scenario. This is known as "reductio as absurdum". It follows clearly and logically that the non-existence of God would lead to infinitely implausible scenarios and should therefore be discarded as mere fiction.

The Bible is not sufficient evidence - as it's only a book. Yes, it's only a book. Nothing more, nothing less - no matter what you believe in.

Those are your beliefs. We know the Bible was dictated by God.

I never said exactly 6000 years either. Still, do you actually believe the earth is only 6000 years old? Do you believe it's flat too?

Yes, approximately.

Die and cease existing - exactly! There is nothing more to it.

Prove it. Since you are making the extraordinary claim, the onus is on you to prove it, now isn't it?

Oh, right, you're not hateful at all. "Everyone who doesn't believe shall burn and suffer in Hell for all eternity". That's not hateful at all! And you say you're tolerant.

You are correct on all points. I do not want you to burn in Hell for all eternity. I want you to come to Heaven with us and be with Jesus Christ.

If I see that a train is headed your way, am I a hateful person for telling you to get off the tracks? I don't think "oh, that's a gay so I'm not going to warn him, ha ha" or "it's just a goth, so who cares". No, I put in time and effort to save them. That, my friend, is Christianity.

No they don't, they hate intolerant people. Most atheists approves of homosexuality, that's tolerant. Do you approve of that? If not, then you're intolerant.

That's fallacious reasoning. You define people as intolerant on the basis of whether or not they reject the Bible -- at least where it concerns the abomination of sodomy. Then you argue that being intolerant to people you define as intolerant is OK.

But let's look at the dictionary meaning:

intolerant
adj 1: unwilling to tolerate difference of opinion [ant: {tolerant}]
2: narrow-minded about cherished opinions [syn: {illiberal}]

Since atheists hate Christians for no other reason than having a difference in opinion, it appears obvious that atheists are indeed intolerant. In fact, you guys come to our forum to berate us about how "intolerant" we are. Did we come to your forum? No.

Some introspection would be welcome, my friend.

There are unbelievably many inconsistencies in the bible, it's not perfect - not even close.

When people talk about "the Bible", I always ask "which one?" There are versions such as the NASB and NIV that contain a long list of corruptions of the real Bible (KJV 1611). I am not surprised that they slipped in contradictions as well.

Please feel free to point out contradictions in the KJV 1611 Bible and I'll be happy to address them.

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

Religion is faith, and faith cannot be proven. It is your opinion that if there was no such thing as god, nothing could have existed.

gg trolls