[John Creeser]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

Ephesians 6:4 - And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

John 15:12 - This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Seems to me you should be loving your children and looking after them, not wishing rape onto them.

Isn't rape a sin, by the way? Or is it perfectly permissible?

That depends, if you really anger the Lord then....

2 Samuel 12:11-14

Also, who is saying that wishing rape upon our daughters isn't showing them love? It's a great way to get them married (and a little extra dough for the father - WIN/WIN).

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

That depends, if you really anger the Lord then....

2 Samuel 12:11-14

Also, who is saying that wishing rape upon our daughters isn't showing them love? It's a great way to get them married (and a little extra dough for the father - WIN/WIN).

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

So it is not a sin to rape?

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

Also, your rape theory would only work if the rapist himself was a 'True Christian'. If he wasn't, then he wouldn't pay the money, nor would he marry her afterwards.

So, this leads onto the question, why would a 'True Christian' rape? Unless, if you agree it is not a sin to rape? Raping is ok for 'True Christians' ???

If he wants to marry the girl in question, is he not better off asking the girl and her father for her hand in marriage?

Or are you saying that if the formal approach fails (i.e. the girl or father refuses), then rape her, and force the girl into marriage?

Is this your view of a happy, healthy marriage?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

...Is this your view of a happy, healthy marriage?

You keep asking things like this, as if their opinions matter.

One definition of lunacy is to keep repeating behaviour expecting different outcomes.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

So no one has anything to state that counters the points i made?

Where is the scripture which promotes rape? Where rape is seen as a favourable course of action?

Also, your rape theory would only work if the rapist himself was a 'True Christian'. If he wasn't, then he wouldn't pay the money, nor would he marry her afterwards.

So, this leads onto the question, why would a 'True Christian' rape? Unless, if you agree it is not a sin to rape? Raping is ok for 'True Christians' ???

If he wants to marry the girl in question, is he not better off asking the girl and her father for her hand in marriage?

Or are you saying that if the formal approach fails (i.e. the girl or father refuses), then rape her, and force the girl into marriage?

Is this your view of a happy, healthy marriage?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

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Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

So no one has anything to state that counters the points i made?

Where is the scripture which promotes rape? Where rape is seen as a favourable course of action?

Zechariah 14:1-2 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

Zechariah 14:1-2 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

This is talking about an event that will take place/has taken place. Notably in reference to Jerusalem.

This is not carte blanche for you to rape women.

Do you have anything actually relevant or meaningful that says something along the lines of "raping women is ordained for you" ?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

This is talking about an event that will take place/has taken place. Notably in reference to Jerusalem.

This is not carte blanche for you to rape women.

Do you have anything actually relevant or meaningful that says something along the lines of "raping women is ordained for you" ?

Women are ravished in the "day of the Lord". You are telling me that is not an endorsement? Those who do not participate in days that the Lord ordains like this are skirting the precipice of Hell.

The Israelites were commanded to rape the bereaved virgin daughters of the Shilohans in the book of Judges here:

Judges 21:10-24
King James Version (KJV)
10 And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.

11 And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man.

12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.

13 And the whole congregation sent some to speak to the children of Benjamin that were in the rock Rimmon, and to call peaceably unto them.

14 And Benjamin came again at that time; and they gave them wives which they had saved alive of the women of Jabeshgilead: and yet so they sufficed them not.

15 And the people repented them for Benjamin, because that the Lord had made a breach in the tribes of Israel.

16 Then the elders of the congregation said, How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing the women are destroyed out of Benjamin?

17 And they said, There must be an inheritance for them that be escaped of Benjamin, that a tribe be not destroyed out of Israel.

18 Howbeit we may not give them wives of our daughters: for the children of Israel have sworn, saying, Cursed be he that giveth a wife to Benjamin.

19 Then they said, Behold, there is a feast of the Lord in Shiloh yearly in a place which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goeth up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south of Lebonah.

20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards;

21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.

22 And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty.

23 And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them.

24 And the children of Israel departed thence at that time, every man to his tribe and to his family, and they went out from thence every man to his inheritance.

The same was done with the bereaved virgin daughters of the Midianites in the book of Numbers here:

Numbers 31:7-18
King James Version (KJV)
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.

9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

In Deuteronomy, God gives His people a general license to abduct women and children as long as the whole male population is slaughtered. Children can be indoctrinated into the faith, but the women are obviously to be used for breeding purposes, which requires sexual penetration. I'm sure you, as an atheist, know what sexual penetration is.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14
King James Version (KJV)
10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.

Rape is obviously not sanctioned when the owner of the woman is a fellow servant of God. This being the case, part of a rapist's punishment is that he must marry the woman and rape her as he would any of his other wives. Of course, he must purchase her from the previous owner too, which is the definition of traditional marriage: ownership of women.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
King James Version (KJV)
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

God sometimes delegates the duty of rape to the enemies of His people if they sin against Him, as Jews do constantly. In fact, today God uses Muslims to rape Jewesses all the time, perhaps to punish their husbands for murdering Jesus (it could be anything, really). Here is God threatening to have David's multitudinous wives raped, and his child executed.

2 Samuel 12:11-14
King James Version (KJV)
11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

Here God makes clear that women who are raped as spoils of war cannot be subsequently sold. Thus, it is the duty of conquering army to continue raping these women in an ongoing fashion. They cannot just be raped and then discarded. But they must be raped as the Lord commands.

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
King James Version (KJV)
10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,

11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;

13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.

14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

Here in Judges God describes raped women as prey, and explains that each soldier raped at least one woman. This is part of a chapter summarizing all of the good deeds of the Israelites around that time.

Judges 5:30
King James Version (KJV)
30 Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

Here are some of the regulations governing sex slaves and their masters. So you see sexual slavery was a regulated industry, part of the reported economy of ancient Israel, in accordance with God's will. You will notice also that God in His abundant tendermercies and lovingkindness afforded certain rights to sex slaves as well as their masters.

Exodus 21:7-11
King James Version (KJV)
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.

10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

So, in conclusion, if you had bothered to flip a Bible open to a random page, there is a good chance you would have been aware of God's endorsement of rape under certain conditions. Now, this does not give you the license to just rape whoever you want.

Remember, hymen is like any other fragile piece of merchandise. You break it, you buy it. So think before you rape.

[Sickened by Humanity]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

If you want rid of one I will take one off your hands, at least I can be safe in the knowledge that I am rescuing instead of raping a young woman and taking her away from such an unfit and abusive home.

Your ideals are barbaric and from a time when civility was not really a widely practiced thing. We have evolved past grabbing women and raping them. That is caveman mentality. You need to bring yourselves into the new millenium. YOUR IDEALS ARE DEAD MOVE THE FUCK ON !

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

Your ideals are barbaric and from a time when civility was not really a widely practiced thing. We have evolved past grabbing women and raping them. That is caveman mentality. You need to bring yourselves into the new millenium. YOUR IDEALS ARE DEAD MOVE THE piffle ON !

Human culture may have "evolved," but God and His Perfect Ways are timeless (Hebrews 13:8). Because of this, we know that we can trust the LORD who, through His Infinite Wisdom, choose thousands of years ago to speak to mankind through the writings of tribalistic, ritualistic, goat-hearding patriarchs. Oh, they may seem to modern man to have the same moral values as a third world dictator or a street gang leader, but nevertheless, they were given to us for the sake of righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). We know we can trust these lessons to guide us in our modern, industrial world, because the LORD Himself is trustworthy (Isaiah 26:4).

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

...

Thanks for your time in replying.

What i have understood is that according to your doctrine, rape is a sin. Why, you may ask? Because both your doctrine and yourself have admitted that there is a punishment to raping (notably, paying the father of the girl some compensation, and having to marry the girl in question).

So naturally, if there is punishment for this rape, the rape itself is not a desirable action or outcome. Punishment is only handed out for sin.

So, to put this back into context, i.e of the original poster, why is he (and others who have joined in with him) praying for someone to commit a sin?

This is hardly the "True Christian" way, is it? Or is it now ok to pray for others to commit sin or for sin to take place?

A confused bunch of people, with confused ideas, i fear.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

Thanks for your time in replying.

What i have understood is .....i fear.

You become more defined as time passes you by.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

You become more defined as time passes you by.

Conversely, you could legitimately counter what i have said.

I noticed you bailed from the other thread as you wasn't able to hide from the truth...

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Please pray for someone to rape my daughters

Thanks for your time in replying.

What i have understood is that according to your doctrine, rape is a sin. Why, you may ask? Because both your doctrine and yourself have admitted that there is a punishment to raping (notably, paying the father of the girl some compensation, and having to marry the girl in question).

So naturally, if there is punishment for this rape, the rape itself is not a desirable action or outcome. Punishment is only handed out for sin.

So, to put this back into context, i.e of the original poster, why is he (and others who have joined in with him) praying for someone to commit a sin?

This is hardly the "True Christian" way, is it? Or is it now ok to pray for others to commit sin or for sin to take place?

A confused bunch of people, with confused ideas, i fear.

Friend, it should be obvious from my last post that it is not so black and white to the Lord. Only certain rapes are sinful. At other times, it is a sin not to rape. Most Biblical references to rape are commandments by God to perform it. In others, it is considered a tort, and can be rectified by purchasing the damaged property and raping it some more. The only time rape is considered a crime is when it is a subset of adultery, such as when a betrothed woman is raped within the city limits. But all husbands are given license to rape their wives whenever it suits them, for Ephesians explains that the authority of a man over his wife is as absolute as the authority of God over His church.

Ephesians 5:23
King James Version (KJV)
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

This clearly entails that not only can a husband rape his wife as much as he wants, but he can toss her into Hell on a whim after he rapes her, if that is his will. So it is a woman's duty to obey both God's law and the law of her husband, or suffer a punishment for each.