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Default Re: I Killed Christ and I am Sorry - 05-09-2014, 03:03 PM

It’s a difficult theological problem, your killing Jesus.

On the one hand if the Jews and the closet Jew, Judas Iscariot, had not have killed Jesus, His prophecies would not have been correct, we would all be irredeemable sinners and we could dismiss Him as the local lunatic and just have kept worshiping Yahweh.

On the other hand, the question arises how much blame should an individual Jew have? It may be that even Jews who were not even around at the Crucifixion (e.g. those on tourist trips to Mount Ararat or discussing the price of doves in a far city) should shoulder the blame as the Jewish crowd called out

“M't:27:25: Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.”

Now, did the crowd mean just themselves? Or all Jewry?...Difficult. If it meant only the crowd and their children, then (a) who are their descendants? (b) did that blood continue upon the children’s children, and their children, etc?

And here’s a point, if His Blood was “upon them” did it wash them clean of sin?

Now, if you and a few friends do an armed robbery at a bank, even the guy who sat in the car gets the punishment of all the others, so did every Jew get the same amount of blame and responsibility, and does that dilute with generations?

In John:9, we hear Jesus saying that the blind man was not blinded because his parents sinned, but because this is a good way for God to make His Awesome Power known.

Joh:9:2: And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh:9:3: Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Yes, the Jews in the crowd believed that their children must suffer, and we Christians have done our best to follow God’s Word as written in the Bible.

So, whilst the other Pastors and I work out this intractable question, I think I might keep blaming you 100%, but do not let that stop you being generally “good” and Christ-Like” as this may help if you die before we reach a decision.





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