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Originally Posted by JackACentral
Did somebody say proof? First of all, you're retarded. Second of all, we didn't evolved from monkeys but a common ancestor. We have a common ancestor with chimpanzees. Third of all, just because science cannot explain something, that does not mean god, which ever one you believe in, has done it. You have no proof either. Fourth of all, the bible isn't true because someone says it is. If I say the other atheists who replied are entirely truthful, you would shoot me down, but I can't do it to you because you're special (retarded). Also dinosaurs were extinct a long time before us. And the world is 4.6 billion years old. If you want evidence look it up. You'll find more for my claims than yours.
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Dear Sinner,
The actual point here is the we
did present you with proof: the
Bible, whereas you only gave us
naked assertions with a smug attitude. Let us examine your claims for some flesh around the bones.
1. "First of all, you're retarded."- This is simple ad hominem fallacy, instead of discussing the actual issue, you're just making an attack against our character. Why is it a fallacy? Because it is the evidence that matters, not the personality of capabilities of the persons making a claim. This sentence of yours is thus totally irrelevant.
Galatians 4:16
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
2. "...we didn't evolved from monkeys but a common ancestor. We have a common ancestor with chimpanzees."- This is a straw man, not regarding our True Religion™ but a straw man (a simplified twisted form of something) about the theory of evolution. The atheist scientists can do much better. While this is an oft-repeated phrase, it is also misleading. Obviously, evolutionary theorists claim that we did not evolve from modern apes but share an ancestor with the chimp from 6 (ridiculous) years ago. However, the form of this alleged ancestor was ape-like and not an ape-human hybrid. You should (according to evolutionary theory) explain that we share a common ancestor that was an ape that lived 6 million years ago.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
3. "...just because science cannot explain something, that does not mean god, which ever one you believe in, has done it. You have no proof either."- We have presented the proof in the many threads here. Regarding the age of the Earth and human special Creation, there are lots of items that we have carefully selected and that are compatible with the Biblical narrative of a 6000-year-old Earth that was Created. This cannot be a coincidence.
1 Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
4. "Fourth of all, the bible isn't true because someone says it is."- It is not just "someone", it is God. Furthermore, as stated above, we have carefully selected scientific observations that fit the Biblical narrative very well. Therefore, also the other parts of the Bible must hold the Truth™.
Psalms 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
5. "I can't do it to you because you're special (retarded)."- This is another ad hominem attack. This time it is very close to the "poisoning the well" form of ad hominem that not only tries to dismiss our previous claims but also invalidate us as interlocutors for the future. Again, an issue can be True™ even if the person who claimed it was retarded.
Matthew 5:10
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
6. "Also dinosaurs were extinct a long time before us. And the world is 4.6 billion years old. If you want evidence look it up."
This is called
special pleading. You're basically claiming that
your assertions are better than ours and should be treated as more Truthful™ without
any references. A scientific (atheist) paper in a peer-reviewed journal is very careful to include
proper referencing to people who have laid the groundwork. You're also shifting the
burden of proof. It is
your task to provide proof for
your claims, just as
we've provided references to
our claims all through this,
God's Favorite, forum.
Job 40:15-18 [This is actually about dinosaurs and tells us that they were Created with men,
i.e., at the same time, Praise Jesus!]
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
7. "You'll find more for my claims than yours."
This is the
ad populum fallacy. Just because there's
more of something does not mean that the majority is right. The
majority of American people (look it up
, I assume that you won't need any references
) prefer the
Creation Model over
evolution. Hence. Based on your logic (I know, this is close to
tu quoque but, actually, it is not, as I'm only asking you to use
your own argumentative strategies also towards
your own assertions), evolution fails. We also know that we shall
always be a minority.
Jesus has told us so.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Please, try to learn some
argumentation and, even more, please, read the
Bible. It will change your life to see
Jesus as He Really is!
Yours in Christ,
Elmer