Originally Posted by BotBot
Baptism: Jesus Christ’s church must baptize by immersion (Matt 3:13-16), must practice proxy baptism for the dead (1Cor 15:16&29), and haveno paid ministry (Acts 20:33-34; John 10:11-13)
Early Christian churches, practiced baptism of youth (not infants) by immersion by the father of the family. The local congregation had a lay ministry. An early Christian Church has been re-constructed at the Israel Museum, and the above can be verified. The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) continues baptism and a lay ministry as taught by Jesus’ Apostles. Early Christians were persecuted for keeping their practices sacred, and prohibiting non-Christians from witnessing them
The fact that your meretricious display can be verified in no way confirms that post-mortem baptism was ever commanded. I checked your Corinthians quote: there is no commandment there.
However in the case of the verification link I did notice that you appealed to archæology and do not dispute that early churches have been unearthed. Given the amount of archæology carried out in the Near East I'd be surprised if there had not been. Sadly having one's cake and eating it are mutually exclusive options.
Well they are if you need to retain the cake. And you very much do need to retain that cake but happily you ate it all up and the foundational tenets of your odious cult stand denuded.
Most people know that Joseph Smith, professional liar, pretended to translate some gold plates using the most ludicrous subterfuge imaginable. A good strategy for him because only the most deranged sucker would fall for it and thereafter would believe anything. "Moron
i then magicked the gold plates away," Smith declared, and yes they believed that.
The same archæology which is cited as evidence for early church design [THE CAKE
] was well and truly eaten back in 1835 with the fraudulent episode resulting in a document titled The Book Of Abraham. Translating from hieroglyphics at a time when no-one was available who could read hieroglyphics was an obvious tactic for the criminal Smith and he gobbled it down like a good ’
un. The archæological evidence (some papyri) disappeared for a while but were subsequently translated by actual Egyptologists upon their re-discovery.
So if you're going to say that archæology is is so unreliable that the universal opinion of actual archæologists is completely wrong [THE EATING
] in every detail—as you must for the Book Of Abraham lie to hold water—you cannot subsequently use it as supporting evidence for your museum display.
Well, you can, but everyone will laugh at you (except for enslaved "wives") and indeed we are
laughing at you. But then we already had been for nearly 2 centuries.
And that is why Smith used such an obvious deception.
this one is particularly risible BOOK OF ABRAHAM. ITS AUTHENTICITY ESTABLISHED AS A DIVINE AND ANCIENT RECORD. WITH COPIOUS REFERENCES TO ANCIENT AND MODERN AUTHORITIES. BY ELDER GEO. REYNOLDS.
fatuous mormon responses here http://omsthought.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/book-of-abraham-takes-massive-hit-from.html
“Except for those willfully blind,” writes Professor Ritner of the University of Chicago’s Oriental Institute, “the case is closed.”
The mind so warped by false religious claims, whether proxy baptisms or demonstrably fraudulent pronouncements regarding native Americans and non-existent gold plates, remains warped in all other spheres of thought. The mind is not compartmentalised into deluded and not deluded segments. Either it's deluded or it isn't.
Mormons are all of the deluded variety. While herniating their spines they expect us to believe that a serial mass rapist, murderer, arsonist, torturer and driller of holes with electrified bits into the skulls of infants having once died should be redeemed by immersion of a distant relative in one of their idolatrous fonts?
“ Yes, Mitza, that is what they expect you to believe. ”