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Hi, helper. I've been watching this thread and keeping out of it, because these people are just wacko. But I might be able to help you out a little bit. I hope it's okay if I jump in?
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And you might be able to connect this to your own experiences, because I have a feeling that some people have seen your own behavior as you describe-- as being a spoiled brat-- because they didn't understand autism. Don't make the same mistake. Don't interpet others' different autism as being a spoiled brat. Now, the odds are that you made your comments not just in response to Mitza or Brasil, but in response to the entirety of this thread. That's clear to me. But these Landover wackos, they're twisted, they don't see things like that, they only see what's right in front of their noses. Okay, let's get to a few other details. They're not that important, but maybe I have an autistic streak as well-- I like to see things clean and correct :) Quote:
It's important to understand how these illnesses in the DSM work. When it comes to these kinds of illnesses, any biological basis is poorly understood. So the diagnostic categories aren't the same as they are for something like heart disease. Instead, they're a bunch of doctors getting together and trying to figure out how to categorize things. They'll make mistakes until they actually know what's going on. This lack of knowledge means that a lot of illnesses are misdiagnosed-- but that's not the best word, because the errors may lie with the theoreticians, in the DSM, rather than with the diagnosticians. So you'll see people saying things like, "Dyslexia is often misdiagnosed as autism." Or "Autism is often misdiagnosed as ADHD," which is what your link was saying. The people saying that have arguments, but there's not really enough evidence yet to say that they're right or they're wrong. Someday, maybe, we can be more sure. The diagnoses for autism changed recently. Asperger's used to be a different diagnosis, but recently, psychiatrists decided that it's similar enough in nature to autism to roll them all into one diagnosis, that exists on a spectrum-- just as you can have really bad heart disease, or really minor heart disease that you don't much have to worry about. Now, Asperger's is considered a mild version of autism. So Asperger's is a subset of autism. Quote:
Don't just read the entries for the disorders. Read the beginning of the book as well. That will help you understand the limitations of these definitions, ways that the words should and shouldn't be used. Quote:
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That doesn't say they're the same thing. That says that there are similarities. It's very different. Okay, let me just say something else. I'm not religious. It sounds like you are. That's cool. When these Landover people read the bible, it's as if they don't bother using their brain. They just read it all like a vacuum cleaner sucks up dirt, without saying, "Is this something I should believe? Maybe not?" A lot of the people here, in this thread, are mixing up good ideas with bad ideas. I'm surprised at how much knowledge some of them have of autism. At the same time, they mix it up with this ridiculous idea of mental illness as possession. What I'm saying is, don't be like them. Don't turn your mind into a vaccuum cleaner that can only only hear everything that somebody says or nothing that somebody says. Instead, try to separate what they're saying into the useful bits and the useless bits, and deal with those in different ways. That's how we can learn even from wackos like these. |
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enough with this crap. autism is a human disorder with an intention of craziness not craps like spoiled brat, adhd, dylesexia etc. etc. stop with this non-sence and call them people. |
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I've linked a picture of an infant with autism. As you can see, the eyes are very clearly deformed. Now, if autism was a choice, as you so eloquently put it, this infant would look completely normal. |
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The language continuum begins with vibration, develops into sound (the difference between sound and vibration being that vibration requires contact and sound does not) and from there on to music and language which are regarded as equivalent. There is a musical range to language which provides the emotional context for speech and although music has a greater tonal range the various pitch classes convey the same information whether combined in language, as vocal inflections, or in music, as musical intervals. In this way persons not having language are not disadvantaged. Upon analysis it transpires that not everyone sees the world in the same way and there are two quite distinct perspectives. In one, sometimes thought of as autism, there's a diminished perception of "other" but that does not imply an obsessional self interest. Narcissists have an exaggerated perception of self which amounts to disregard for others but narcissism and autism do not lie on any common spectrum as is blindingly obvious when you hear either of them attempting communication. Similarly for the Asperger syndrome. What emerges is a perspective where "self" interacts in a sea of input from external sources requiring complex systems to label and interrelate all the data. That may result in shutting off the external world OR focussing on single issues, akin to linear programming in other contexts, but neither response is any sort of autism. Whether using language (Shakespeare) or music (Mozart) there can not possibly be any diminished perception of "other" and even though a simplified system can place them on your putative spectrum I would suggest the more comprehensive model outlined above. None of this is new. God understood all of the symptoms described by psychiatrists. And from the historical record we have a reasonable portfolio of behaviours addressed by God which aligns very well with what the devil-denying professions declare to be autism. Or narcissism or Asperger's or psychopathy or hyper-vigilance or oblivion. Jesus never mentioned any of these. Words were available to Him but the maker of the universe not only identified demons. He also cast out demons. And when He did that the symptoms disappeared. Atheistic crackpots may be able to communicate with such demon possessed individuals or with others on their "spectrum" using gongs & piccolos but they never effect a cure. Why should they? It's not the individual they see as impaired but the spectrum of communication. It's too narrow, they insinuate. Broaden it. Well, JESUS DID EFFECT A CURE. He stated the cause, He addressed the cause as stated, the demons departed. How do you explain that? |
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I'm also going to ask for evidence for some of your claims. I fully encourage you to ask for evidence of my claims as well. I'll try my best to provide it, but it may not always be possible; my thoughts are based on the integration of a lot of different sources. Quote:
The decision to split or merge diagnoses may, in some sense, be seen as one of convenience, in that every instance of disease is unique, and that it is convenient to group diseases into certain categories into order to guide treatment; actually treating all patients as completely unique would mean that any knowledge or experience was useless. But the precise ways in which psychiatrists decide to split or merge diagnoses shouldn't necessarily (or frequently) be seen as toward a more immediate convenience of, I don't know, filling out insurance forms. Remember, mental illness-- that is, behavioral health-- is not an advanced science. We do not know the etiology of autism spectrum, depression, or even schizophrenia. (C.f. traumatic brain injury.) Our interventions are haphazard and work on small portions of the affected populations. The decision by authors of the DSM is toward the larger, end convenience of trying to understand etiology and treatment meaningfully, and to thus group disorders on the basis of similar symptoms and cormorbidity. Let's think for a second about more physical diseases. Shortness of breath is a symptom of many illnesses. Emphysema and congestive heart failure are two. Yet the etiology of these two diseases is entirely dissimilar, and treatments for each are dissimilar. Physicians started to notice the difference on the basis of comorbid symptoms (AM headaches vs. PM edema, e.g.) Eventually, this distinction, and advances in anatomy and physiology, allowed physicians to distinguish between these two diseases and tailor treatments to each. We don't give diuretics to people with emphysema. (And, to be clear and emphasize the complexities, there are also treatments to address shortness of breath that are shared between etiologies; and yes, treatments depend on severity, sometimes of symptoms and sometimes of less obvious measures, and one good treatment may be contraindicated on the basis of where, on a continuum, a particular sufferer lies.) Mental illness is still in Galen's stage. We can't image the heart. We can't measure arterial blood gases. All that we can see is shortness of breath-- something that, like emphysema or CHF, exists on a continuum as well. The diagnosticians are trying to take the first steps to the classification of mental illness. These are not the last steps. I do not expect the etiology of any mental illness to be understood in my lifetime, although I do expect future revisions of the DSM. Quote:
Additionally, psychiatry, and science in general, is not practiced at the same level in all nations (cultures). There is a reason why there is such a huge difference in the success of acupuncture trials in China when compared to trials in the USA. I do not believe that it is because acupuncture is more effective in the Eastern hemisphere. it should also be said that while the DSM reflects the positions, arguments, and evidence of many of the most expert, it does not reflect a consensus. That is due to the difficulty and youth of the field. On issues for which there is worldwide psychiatric consensus, the DSM reflects that consensus. On issues for which there is not-- which is the vast majority of issues-- there is no consensus for the DSM to reflect. Quote:
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Autism, even if currently labelled a spectrum, probably does not lie along a single dimension. Language, and ability with it, definitely does not lie along a single dimension. Quote:
As a developmental disorder, autism's impact on language has broad effects. Any treatment for autism can just as easily be seen as mitigation of its effects on development. Just as any illiterate person will rapidly find themselves unequal in many arenas, so will any person with communication difficulties. Quote:
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I propose a simple litmus test for assigning authority when reading about psychiatry. If the author fails to communicate uncertainty, the author is a hack. We will not fully understand psychiatry until we fully understand human thought. |
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Being gay isn't autism but lust for love of the same sex because of some ethical reasons it can maybe a lone shark who found a friend but instead being friends forever they fall in love with each other because womens might have rejected him and both of them or their not social at all and the only social thing here is both of them trust each other and have fun by doing some sort of boys night or friends night and they both fell in love with each other. I guess someone will try to salt it out but what I'm saying is true if you are so desperate for love. trust me. |
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If you read this research, you'll see being gay is not an advancement of autism, it is an advancement of liberal parenting. Liberal parenting is the sinful practice of raising children to reject, mock, and horrify the Lord thy God. Autism is simply the new fad. It's "the new black" as they say in fashion. Or, "the new gay" as they say in New York City. |
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Obviously, although a Christian may understand what physicians claim, where claims contradict the Creator of the universe..Jesus..they are dismissed out of hand. There are things not described by Jesus but the symptoms associated with autism do get some coverage and I am happy to provide evidence for you. .EVIDENCE ..Not everything is demons. Multiple categories are mentioned here:
MATTHEW 4 . KJV . look up .EVIDENCE ..Symptoms are also rather distinct, such as of leprosy compared to the palsy. Jesus recognised those along with fever, all were cured instantly, and later another distinct group comprising many persons turned up. These were all demon possessed. That is not ignorant-speak for disease, torment, lunacy, palsy, fever or sickness because all these are addressed separately. Devils produce symptoms, devils can be cast out; when they are cast out the symptoms disappear. MATTHEW 8 . KJV . look up .EVIDENCE ..I have established that Jesus knew, as we know, the difference between ill-health and demonic possession. You will now be wondering, "what are the characteristics of demons?" That is the right question. For a start we can see that they have impaired perceptions of self and other. Say if I have hydatids for some reason I just want to get rid of it. I don't want to give it to your dog. The dog wouldn't like it, you wouldn't like it, and I don't want to give it to you either. I have a balanced concept of self and other. Demons do not have this. For example they do not care whether a farmer loses his livelihood. MATTHEW 8 . KJV . look upThis level of insensitivity could derive from just being nasty and wanting to torment pigs for no reason. It didn't actually do the demons much good either. Yes, they got to possess something else but not for very long! Demon possessed pigs can move pretty swiftly resulting in drowning in this historical example so the devils were actually no better off than if they just been cast out in the first place. That lack of forward planning together with disregard for the farmer is the same thing that happens when autistic demons get hold of any human, earning them a place on your spectrum but Jesus made them and Jesus disagrees. It's demons. .EVIDENCE ..How can we identify devils? Obviously there are blind devils, deaf and dumb devils, epileptic devils, devils of same sex attraction, devils who want to do witchcraft or make people atheists or heretics but they are just showing off really and many such are identified by doctors as autistic. Jesus never did that. MATTHEW 12 . KJV . look up .EVIDENCE ..Also on your spectrum you would place the impaired perception of self. More interested in drawing attention from the external world, gauging what actions will get the most interest, perhaps gleaning their thoughts from subtle nuances: all of a sudden THWACK .the demon crunches its victim's head into the rock or hurls it into the fire or tries to drown it. No regard for "self" here, the consciousness is focused externally for maximum impact. Sure, the secular physician will say that such behaviours can result from other causes than "autism" even claiming that "epilepsy" is some sort of disorder. But we are considering the autism here and Jesus is very straightforward. The cause is not lunacy, not epilepsy, not hydatids: THE CAUSE IS DEVILS! The remedy is to remove them. Not brain surgery, not bottles of dexies, not chloroform. Exorcism. Did it work? Check out this piece of evidence: MATTHEW 17 . KJV . look upJesus has commanded us to cast out devils. Are you suggesting Jesus was mistaken? Or that He left us without the means to distinguish demons from illness? That would be a very big claim. So far I've seen very small evidence from you and mostly from secularist medical sources which obviously we reject outright. That doesn't mean we haven't read the stuff. I know what they claim but do I see the symptoms removed? No. I don't. Jesus ALWAYS removes the symptoms because Jesus knows the cause. Now you will be thinking, "Yeah, ignorant 1st century peasants what would they know?" and they know more than you because they could distinguish devils from disease. If you want to suggest Jesus was pandering to uneducated buffoons then I can address that immediately for you. .MORE EVIDENCE ..Luke writes very well, is educated, trained as a physicianhttp://www.23hq.com/23666/25790635_5...fb55_thumb.jpg and includes a variety of medical references so if anyone "knew" there were no demons this would be the guy. But I'm not going to quote Luke on the subjecthttp://www.23hq.com/23666/25790636_7...9539_thumb.jpg directly, rather his record of a superior authority. Not just well educated. Not just a doctor. Someone who shared human experience for a short time. Someone who became perfect. If Luke did not dispute these facts why should I? LUKE 13 . KJV . look upThe distinction is there. Devils. Jesus casts them out. Cures are something different. Since I doubt anyone thinks autism is a disease the "cures" aspect is irrelevant. All that remains is is devils. If this were some innate characteristic, like red hair or having six fingers, there is no remedy. But there is a remedy, therefore the medical profession so-called is wrong. As wrong as anyone ever was. Why should afflicted wretches suffer under medical ignorance when deliverance is available? I submit that they should not and that the reality of lies taught as fact should be exposed by every expedient. The world has suffered long enough. 1. or techno programmer 2. Colossians 4:14 3. You can read Luke herehttp://www.23hq.com/23666/25790637_f...53c6_thumb.jpg if you're interested in the details 4. And here |
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From Dorland's Pocket Medical Dictionary, a disease is Quote:
There are plenty of other definitions, many of which are more specific, but this general use of disease as synonymous with illness is common. You mention this off-hand, but you wouldn't have mentioned it if it didn't at all matter to you. I think that when specific words elicit strong reactions, that's a good indication that we ought to look at what baggage we're attaching to those words-- that is, why it matters whether someone uses the word "disease" in a sense more general than you would prefer. Jackie Scully writes, Quote:
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Of course, without a lot of investment, it would be difficult to make it very professional; there would probably be a lot of sources of bias. However, even a poor study can be important, if it prompts further research. |
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Research of the type you suggest would be carried out at universities and published in relevant journals, none of which cover demons, the actual cause. Neither do any of them regard autism as a disease. Quoting from a dictionary is not equivalent to the current state of neurological research, much of which requires new investigative techniques to be developed as new technology becomes available. None of it supports demonic influence. All of it contradicts Jesus, declaring Him to be a liar and more importantly categorising The Holy Ghost as either non-existent or an outright fraud. Why would I engage with material intended to blast children, infants and even susceptible adults to an eternity of suffering? Of torture? You have not even mentioned demons despite my posting fairly detailed evidence for their existence. Until you accept that, how can you determine whether demons are (or are not) the cause of autism? This is a FUNDAMENTAL message to us from the Creator of all that there is, whether we can observe it or not, and you ignore this most critical element? The Bible is clear:
MATTHEW 12 . KJV . look up What sort of a tree are you? Why are you seeking to prevent autistic demoniacs from the exorcism so critical for their deliverance? Yes, these are just like the gays, bleating "it's so who I am, don't try to change me," and would even get laws passed to make exorcism illegal for all I know. You have not responded to any of the evidence I presented. Why, you probably don't even regard Hindus or cannibals as demon possessed despite all the horrors their cultures have unleashed upon the world. Jesus came to set us free.—.well, those ordained for eternal life Acts 13:48 at any rate.—.and you desire to compound a lifetime of demonic occupation with an eternity of destruction, torment and despair? What tree would produce fruit like that? |
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Sorry, Maybe I should see American news for a change and also you people needs to see Asian news. Maybe we'll find different knowledge. I don't live in America okay and after I watched that feminist news and video leaks it triggers me how dumb some peoples are and how resilient feminist are.
Gay Agenda Asians are better than Gay Agenda Americans I like the part where it triggers. |
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We have been subordinate to our limitations until now. The time has come to cast aside these bonds and to elevate our consciousness to a higher plane. It is time to become a part of all things.
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