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Pastor Billy-Reuben 05-08-2008 12:21 AM

Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!
 
Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!
Jesse Morrell
May 7, 2008

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RECENT OUTREACHES


DOGWOOD FESTIVAL, FAYETTEVILLE NC


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Thousands of people gathered for three days to participate in the "Dogwood Festival". It was a golden opportunity to warn about the judgment to come and to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. With a banner in hand we ventured out into the streets to boldly proclaim the truth of the Bible.


This Festival had already told nearly 100 Churches that they were not allowed to have information tables. This caused a great deal of controversy and had even received some media attention. The Churches were told that they were allowed to be vendors, and to sell whatever they wanted, but they were not allowed to have information tables like other groups were allowed to. This situation made me all the more want to get out there with my Bible to preach the Gospel. After all, this is America and not communist China, right?


It was not long before I found a great location to lift my voice like a trumpet. Finding a wide open area, with lots of walking traffic, I began open air preaching. A large crowd started to gather around, but I also received the attention of the patrolling police officers. I was told that my banner was too large and was in violation of city regulation. I negotiated and was able to get permission to use my smaller sandwich board.

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After putting my banner away and returning with my sandwich board, I began preaching in the same location I started from. A large crowd again began to gather and the flow of traffic became congested. The Police once again approached me with a complaint. This time, they were concerned about the large crowd which was blocking the flow of traffic. I decided that the best thing to do was to get right outside of the Festival area and preach on the busy streets. Once we did that, we had no more problems with the Police, and we were able to draw in large crowds to hear the Gospel message.


There was even an "Evangelism Boot Camp" going on at this Festival. Many of those participating in the boot camp stopped to listen to the open air preaching and thoroughly enjoyed it. While I am used to nothing but mocking, scoffing, ridicule, and heckling, it was very nice to have Christians gathering around and clapping all throughout the message! I was very encouraged.

COASTAL CAROLINA UNIVERSITY, SC


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I had never preached on "Coastal Carolina University" before so I wasn't sure how it would go. Would there be lots of students? Would we be kicked off campus? Etc. After arriving on campus we began walking around to scope out the area and find the best place to preach. In the center of campus there was a large grassy area where student groups seemed to have their own tables set up. We figured that this must be a busy traffic area during the class change or else the student groups would not have set up there. After setting up in a shady area, so that we would not be burned and the crowd would not mind gathering, we began open air preaching.


During the class change, hundreds of students filled the sidewalks. Many students starred with awe, which indicated that they had never seen a preacher on campus before. And once we started talking about some controversial issues, a massive crowd started to gather. Though the crowd grew up to about two hundred students, they were very calm and there was basically no heckling at all. Despite how calm the crowd was, the administration came out with the campus Police.



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After talking with the administration and the Police Officers, they asked us to leave the campus. They told us that the campus was not exactly public, and that if we wanted to pay to reserve a room on campus we could fill out the paper work for that. After getting the whole situation on video, since they were clearly breaking the law and were misinformed about the facts, we obediently left the campus. We decided to go to a outdoor mall that was in the area to witness and pass out tracts.


Since being removed from the campus, the administration has changed their mind about the whole thing. They must have finally talked to their attorneys and realized that they were wrong in stating that there was no free speech on campus. They will allow us back on campus to preach, they simply request that we call and arrange it with them first. So we hope to return to this campus in the future to have some good meetings.



EAST CAROLINA UNIVERSITY, GREENVILLE NC


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The Lord has a remnant of laborers throughout America. And when we have the opportunity of getting together, it is always a blessing. On the E.C.U. campus, many of us met together for outreach. With signs, banners, Bibles, and voices, the name of Jesus was preached loud and clear.


Many students gathered on the stairs near the Library where we usually preach. I saw many familiar faces from previous outreaches. For hours we answered their questions and responded to some of the heckling. Because there were many different preachers on the campus, there was a variety of preaching styles the students were exposed to. That means that we "covered all the bases". One brother even ministered through music, using his guitar and voice to warn about the dangers of sin and the necessity of Christ.



NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY, RALEIGH


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The weather has been getting warmer and warmer, and some days are just plain hot. Finding a nice big tree to preach under, which provided enough shade for both the crowd and us, we began open air preaching.


What got the attention of the students, which drew the crowd, was a dialog I had with a young Muslim women. She was clearly an American teenager, but she was wearing a head covering. I asked her, "Are you a Muslim?" She said, "yes". I asked, "So you are a follower of Mohammed?" She said, "Yes". I asked, "So are you a Jihadists?" She said, "No". "I said, then you are not a follower of Mohammed, since he was a Jihadist!" I explained how a true Muslim is a follower of Mohammed, and Mohammed was a Jihadist, therefore a true Muslim is a Jihadist. What we are used to today is "American Islam" which would be considered lukewarm and backsliden compared to the true Islam taught in the Koran. With the rise of popularity and acceptance of Islam today in America, I find it necessary to publicly preach against the dangers of the real Islam as taught by Mohammed and the Koran.


Certainly this hot issue drew in a large crowd which stayed for hours. As you can see in the picture, even some Mormons stopped by and listened to the preaching of the true Gospel. I was also able to speak to some Christians on campus and explain to them the need for public preaching in our day.

UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA, CHAPEL HILL

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Since I moved to North Carolina, almost a year ago, it has been my intention to be a regular voice in "the pit" of Chapel Hill. And when I am not traveling or preaching on other campuses, I have been able to have many outreaches on this campus. There is a very large homosexual community on this campus and many homosexuals, bysexuals, and lesbians have attended my meetings this past year.

We have discussed so many different issues with these students. The reason for God's laws, the necessity of Christ's death, the nature of repentance, the free will of man, the inspiration of the Bible, have all been discussed and explained in detail and in great length.


UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA, CHARLOTTE


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We arrived on campus to discover that it was "The Nation Day of Silence" for Sodom and Gomorrah. A large group of students set up a table promoting the homosexual lifestyle. What they don't understand is that they are actually hurting themselves. They are damaging their bodies, perverting their hearts, and storing up the wrath of God. God is calling them to repentance. God has given them the ability to repent. Yet they persist in their rebellion.


Sadly, many Christians and theologians have given homosexuals their greatest excuse, "I was born this way". If it were true, that they were born sinners, instead of choosing to be sinners, then this is a good excuse. It would mean that it is not their fault and therefore they cannot be punished for it, and it would mean that it is not their choice so they cannot be responsible for changing. However, the truth of the matter is, that while you might not choose what temptations you face, you do choose what temptations you obey. Homosexuals, just like all sinners, deserve hell. They deserve punishment not because they were born sinners, but because they choose to be sinners. Since sin is a moral choice and not a physical substance or an involuntary emotion, sin is entirely the fault of the sinner, and the sinner is rightly obligated to stop it. Homosexuality is not a birth defect, it is a foolish and selfish choice.


Homosexuals are not born that way, they are born normal. They are created by God, made in His image. God is their maker and they are the work of His hands. For them to claim that they were born sinful, or born homosexuals, is to charge God with creating sin or making sinners. God did not make them sinners, they made themselves sinners! The Bible says that it is God who forms us in the womb and so we are "wonderfully" made instead of sinfully made. You cannot be wonderfully sinful or sinfully wonderful, you are either formed wonderfully or sinfully. We are wonderfully made by God, therefore we have a free will, emotions, and an intelligence that we can choose to use for good or for evil. Even our bodies are instruments that we can yield for righteousness or unrighteousness. And sadly, everyone has used their God given endowments to be selfish and sinful instead of loving and holy. At the age of accountability, when men know right from wrong, all men have deliberately chosen to be sinners, all men have voluntarily chosen to obey the temptations of the devil. Homosexuals are not forced to be perverts because of their "nature" that they are born with. The Apostle Paul tells us in Roman's that homosexuals sin "against nature" by choosing to commit their sexual perversions. Paul tells us that "by nature" we know right from wrong because one element of our nature is a conscience, or the law written on our hearts, which commands obedience and condemns disobedience. While it is true that we inherit a fallen body that is subjected to death and disease, which also has the lusts of the flesh, it is not true that we have to obey these lusts of the flesh or gratify them in an unlawful manner. Men are not sinners because of the body they inherit, men are sinners because of the choices that they make. Men are not sinners because of the temptations of their flesh, men are sinners because they obey the temptations of their flesh. Our fallen bodies influence or tempt our free will but do not force or necessitate our choices. All men can choose to obey the temptation of their flesh or choose to obey the dictations of their conscience. Men can choose to live lives of purity or lives of perversion.


While we preached on campus that they are choosing to be homosexuals, that they are choosing to obey the temptations of the devil, choosing to serve the lusts of their flesh, we also preached that there is hope and freedom in Jesus Christ. God is calling all men everywhere to repent, to pick up their cross, to crucify their flesh, and to follow the Lord. Nobody has to be a slave to sin, nobody ever has to sin. God provides a way of escape, so we can always choose to obey instead of disobey. Sinners are in the bondage of deception (the lie that they were born that way) but the truth will set them free (the truth that they are choosing to live that way and that they don't have to choose that lifestyle anymore).



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As the day progressed, the homosexual table eventually left. The student groups never seem to last very long. After a couple hours they pick up and leave but we stay and remain for hours to come. A nice crowd sat down, listened, and asked questions. We focused primarily on apologetics this particular day, explaining why the Christian world-view makes sense but every other world-view does not. It got the students thinking and challenged a great deal of them. They didn't know how to answer the arguments, while at the same time, they hardened their hearts and resisted the light that was being shown.



VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH UNIVERSITY


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We had been planning this trip to Virginia for a little while. A Calvinist group had heard we were coming and went out on campus, before we arrived, to give our literature against us. There seems to be an attitude today amongst certain groups that Calvinism is Christianity itself and if a person does not believe in their little five points they are not Christians. The main problem of the group that protested us was that we teach that man has a free will and therefore nobody ever has to sin. Another problem they had is that we teach that men are not born sinners but choose to be sinners, so it is their own fault that they sin, they are obligated to stop sinning, and they rightly deserve punishment for sinning. Sinners deserve hell because they choose to sin. It is their own fault that they are sinners. Men are are sinners because they choose to sin. God calls men to repentance because He has given them the ability not to sin. And men need Jesus Christ because they are deliberate criminals not because they are disabled cripples. This understanding of free will is what the Early Church taught, as opposed to the Gnostic's who said men sin out of necessity of their corrupted flesh instead of out of the liberty of their own free will. It was not until Augustine converted from Manicheanism that semi-Gnosticism found it's way into the Church and the semi-Gnostic doctrine of "original sin / total inability" began to replace the Apostolic doctrine of free will.


While I understand Christians discussing and debating doctrine, I don't understand the reason for bringing it before the whole world. The last thing that sinners need to see is the division and controversy amongst Christians. The world needs to hear that they deserve hell because of the way they are choosing to live, that Jesus has shed His blood to atone for the sins of all men, and how God offers them grace and mercy through the atonement if they choose to repent of their sins and choose to believe the Gospel. What the world needs to hear is how God can set aside their punishment of eternal hell, how God can turn from His wrath, because Jesus Christ has vindicated the law by shedding His blood for their transgressions. That is the good news that we must bring to the world! The suffering of Christ must be so presented to their minds that it breaks their hearts and subdues their rebellious wills, bringing them to total submission. It is essential for the world to hear that the atonement of Christ substitutes the eternal punishment of sinners, so that the penalty of the law can be dispensed with and they can receive merciful pardon for their crimes. But showing the world the disunity and division of Christians is counter productive to the Great Commission.


If anything, the extra promotion simply helped us to draw in a bigger crowd. I am told that both George Fox and John Wesley had Calvinists come out against them in their open air preaching. But the Lord knows how to make destructive plans back fire. So we had a great meeting all day, even despite the rain.


I would like to comment and say that it seems that the Church today fears sinlessness more than sinfulness. Preachers protests more against morality than against immorality. It seems that living unrighteousness (sinning every day) is considered the Christian life, instead of living righteous (dying daily). We desperately need to recover the biblical truth that God has given all men the ability to obey Him. Because God hates sin and doesn't want anyone to sin, God has given all men the ability not to sin. Sin is not the will of God. Sin is a wrong choice made by man. And a true Christian is someone who has chosen to forsaken all deliberate rebellion. Christians are saints not sinners. A sinning Christian is a hypocrite who needs to repent and be restored. You cannot be a sinful saint anymore than you can be a saintly sinner. God has grace and mercy, but not for people who are deliberately sinning. God has grace and mercy for people who reject and forsake their sin. Jesus Christ saves us from our sin as opposed tosaving us in our sin.



UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA, GREENSBORO


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On the left you see the "before" picture and on the right you see the "after" picture. Once we started preaching against fornication, drunkenness, and homosexuality, the campus was in an uproar. Out of all the campuses I have been on in North Carolina, this campus is by far the worst. They are malicious, vicious, disrespectful, and just down right mean. But through loving patience we endured them for hours as we delivered the message of Jesus Christ, who died for their sin.


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Some open air preachers will ask me, "how do you draw such large crowds?" The answer is simple, "Confront and condemn their sin." As Charles Finney taught, we must be personal and pointy when dealing with sinners. They must know that we are not talking about sinners in general, but that we are talking about them specifically. And when you start pointing out their sins, and telling them what the Bible says about it, you will be sure to get their attention.


And once they see how awful and depraved they have chosen to be, how they rightly deserve the judgment of God because of the way they have chosen to live, then they can understand why Jesus Christ needed to die, to substitute their punishment, to vindicate the law, so that God could be merciful to them by setting aside their punishment and offering them a pardon. Once they realize what sinners they have made themselves then they will see why they desperately need the remission of sins which Jesus shed His blood for.



GUILFORD COLLEGE, NC


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After leaving UNCG, we had an appointment to meet with a local Church who was encouraged by the type of ministry that we do. But in between our outreach on campus and our meeting with the Church members, we had about an hour of spare time. Driving around the local area, we found a small private campus. Since it was too late to try to preach on campus, and we didn't have a whole lot of time, we did some "drive by preaching". Driving through the campus about three times, we preached the Gospel loud and clear for everyone to hear. "Trust Jesus Christ! Stop sinning! Repent of your sins! God is going to judge your life! Turn to Jesus Christ! Christ died for you!" It reminded me of Gideon Ousley, who was an old Irish Methodist circuit rider. Gideon traveled from city to city preaching the Gospel in the open air. As he rode on horse back, crossing small villages, he would preach the Gospel loud and clear. If the Church of America ever recovers Christian boldness, we might turn this country around. But it seems to me, in all honesty, that the devil is the one being bold, and he is devouring the majority of my generation.

Pastor Billy-Reuben 05-08-2008 12:27 AM

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Ezekiel Bathfire 05-08-2008 11:57 PM

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Many thanks Pastor B-R: I have linked these to favorites as I'm sure others will.

There's nothing like a well-received fiery street preacher sending out The Good Word of The Lord to the Unsaved!

Uplifting and inspiring, and good to see young folk getting involved and that the youth of America are Christians at heart!!! Praise!

ExGay Alex 05-09-2008 06:23 PM

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I am a former homosexual, and I can assure you that all you have to do is stop doing it. It hurts anyway. The other option is that if I slip I know that all I have to do is repent my sins just before I die and it will be ok.

Deaner 05-09-2008 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex the Russian (Post 185505)
The other option is that if I slip I know that all I have to do is repent my sins just before I die and it will be ok.

That's true. Unless God kills you of rotting cancer of the mouth first.

ExGay Alex 05-10-2008 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Deaner (Post 185534)
That's true. Unless God kills you of rotting cancer of the mouth first.

It's true that there is a rather delicate timing issue, but you have to accept Christ with your heart, not your mouth. As long as your mind is intact, you shouldn't have a problem. The Bible says you have to accept Christ as your savior; it doesn't say you have to prounounce any certain words. Whether you are Christian depends on what you FEEL as opposed to homosexual which depends on what you DO. Only people who lie with men are damned, as are fornicators. If a guy is standing in front of me on the subway and I imagine going for his beltbuckle, God doesn't care.

But you did give me something to think about. If I get Brain cancer and then accept the Lord, it maybe not count. But I minister to homosexual community in Russia, so I doubt God will strike me. I am doing good works in the clubs, bars and cruisy parks. Still, thanks for your advice, Deaner. Look me up if you ever get to Moscow.

Dr. Santiago Solo 05-10-2008 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex the Russian (Post 185694)
It's true that there is a rather delicate timing issue, but you have to accept Christ with your heart, not your mouth. As long as your mind is intact, you shouldn't have a problem. The Bible says you have to accept Christ as your savior; it doesn't say you have to prounounce any certain words.

The LORD needs His tithing punctually, my Unsaved® Brother, so the more time you take to accept Him, the more you are stealing from him:

Malachi 3:8


Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

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Whether you are Christian depends on what you FEEL as opposed to homosexual which depends on what you DO. Only people who lie with men are damned, as are fornicators. If a guy is standing in front of me on the subway and I imagine going for his beltbuckle, God doesn't care.
God cares about you committing abomination! And He is not any softer with fornicators, adultery, or lustful behaviour:

Matthew 5:28

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

I don't see why lusting after a man would be any different, or worse, actually...
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But you did give me something to think about. If I get Brain cancer and then accept the Lord, it maybe not count. But I minister to homosexual community in Russia, so I doubt God will strike me. I am doing good works in the clubs, bars and cruisy parks. Still, thanks for your advice, Deaner. Look me up if you ever get to Moscow.
It is a great thing that you have come to gather your knowledge here, in God's Favourite Forum, now why don't you make a thread in the Introduction Forum and tell us a bit about yourself?

ExGay Alex 05-12-2008 04:21 PM

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Thank you for those kind words, but I am ex-gay and I choose not to lie with men. As for Matthew 5:28, I find it alarming that you would introduce into the holy word of God a word that is not there. Surely God would have introduced the concept of lusting after "men" if He had so wanted. He limited this injunction to "women" and you will have to live with this.

But this is a semantic interpretation of the Bible and I agree with you on the fundamentals that fornication of any kind or lying with a man as with a women is a sin unto God. I have rebuked and bound my demons and God has turned my orientation away from the men. Urges that formerly seemed so natural to me -- the feeling of the strong arms of a man clasping me around the waist from behind, holding my hands over his, knowing his rough, moist breath on the nape of my neck, his desire against my back -- these feelings have been lifted from me, praise Jesus, and I have no homosexual desires of any kind. POOF, the urges are just gone and I am repulsed at the very thought of what I have done and I follow Jesus's path to the light.

I can testify that no boy is born with another boy's thingy in is hand (or worse) and that with a little motivation and the help of the Lord, any gay man can turn from this sinful way.

Pastor Isaac Peters 05-12-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex the Russian (Post 185694)
It's true that there is a rather delicate timing issue, but you have to accept Christ with your heart, not your mouth. As long as your mind is intact, you shouldn't have a problem. The Bible says you have to accept Christ as your savior; it doesn't say you have to prounounce any certain words.

That's not exactly right.

Rom. 10:9-10: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

godsbigwang 12-06-2009 08:03 PM

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i kinda like jesus i mean he is pretty hunky. especially in that tiny loin cloth!

wrongpathtaker 12-06-2009 08:56 PM

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This type of thinking is what makes the world an oppressed narrow minded place, You shouldn't deny homosexuals, fact: god loves every one. If you are too blind to see that then you are a person who rejects gods children.

Rev. Jim Osborne 12-06-2009 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rightpathtaker (Post 428297)
This type of thinking is what makes the world an oppressed narrow minded place, You shouldn't deny homosexuals, fact: god loves every one. If you are too blind to see that then you are a person who rejects gods children.

If God loves homosexuals why does He call them an abomination and demand their deaths? (Lev. 20:13) Why does He send them to Hell?

Is that what "love" means for you?

Brother Temperance 12-06-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rightpathtaker (Post 428297)
This type of thinking is what makes the world an oppressed narrow minded place, You shouldn't deny homosexuals, fact: god loves every one.

We don't deny homosexuals. We often point out that homosexuals exist. We constantly point out the homosexual agenda left, right and centre (but mainly left). We just also don't deny what God's word says about the homosexualist menace.

Jacques 02-10-2010 02:34 AM

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I hate to see Homosexuals who could have been saved, Iv tryed to talk one out of it but to no avail. They are determined to Go to hell I think.

Pastor Ezekiel 02-10-2010 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacques (Post 469774)
I hate to see Homosexuals who could have been saved, Iv tryed to talk one out of it but to no avail. They are determined to Go to hell I think.

Most everyone in France is a queer from what I've heard. It must be nasty over there. :bad:

Jacques 02-10-2010 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel (Post 469803)
Most everyone in France is a queer from what I've heard. It must be nasty over there. :bad:

Another false myth about france, the homosexul population all that much higher. But i wont say it's not nasty over here

Lesbith 03-04-2010 10:24 PM

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Seeing all those pictures just made me want to post this: http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com...8460095806.jpg

Cranky Old Man 03-04-2010 10:26 PM

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It's a funny picture, I have to give you that.

John Scopes 03-04-2010 10:32 PM

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Actually homosexuals are born that way. As for bisexuals that is a source of contention in the scientific community.

Cranky Old Man 03-04-2010 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by John Scopes (Post 483515)
Actually homosexuals are born that way.

For a scientist you show an amazing lack of something called "fact checking". Even evil scientists who claim homosexuality can be genetic have only been able to "prove" this for male homosexuals, not for lesbians. If you want to waste your time on lies, look for Dr. Alan Sanders, professor of psychiatry at the University of Chicago.


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