God literally impregnated Mary with sex.
 

I'm just as shocked as you are by this statement. I couldn't believe it.

My search for this information started with a statement some angry atheist made on facebook.

It snowballed into something where I naturally assumed the daft atheist was reading the bible incorrectly. We as Christians know that the Holy Ghost just tapped Mary on the shoulder and she was pregnant after that, right?

I'm afraid not. You'll have to follow me here for a bit and understand how I came to this crazy, yet true conclusion.

My opening statement was that,

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together*, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

* came together. synerchomai συνέρχομαι

is completely different from

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee**, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

**eperchomai ἐπέρχομαι

They are completely different words, but wait.

The wording in Matthew of coming together. Root 1 σύν/syn accompanying coming with or more literally with Root 2 chomai/ἔρχομαι coming. (coming with consensual)

Vs. the way Luke 1 is written. Root one ἐπί/ epi
upon, on, at, by, before
2) of position, on, at, by, over, against
3) to, over, on, at, across, against
Thayer's lexicon adds the term a heavy breathing, but also says it is used primarily as upon.
Both of these words have the same root. ἔρχομαι which is to come.

Now, this is not big news in and of itself. It's all quite explainable up to this point. The same word is used as if the Holy Spirit has come upon you as a feeling or possessed you. The Bible Greek supports this position.

What the Bible hasn't said is that, the Holy Ghost literally comes over you. The same verb eperchomai ἐπέρχομαι, is used in the story of the Swan and Leda.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../6/67/Leda.jpg

What do these stories have to do with one another? Nothing at all! One is myth and the other is true.

The thing is that they use the same verb (to come upon[ a variation of eperchomai) for the copulation of Leda and Zeus and Mary and the Holy Ghost.

The sad fact is, I have come to realize is that there is a literal copulation between God and Mary. :bad:

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news on this one. :( I really am.

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Thank you for providing us with true and accurate information. It is never a bad thing to know the truth.

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Pastor Levi, that actually makes a lot of sense to me.

Even as a young man first learning the mechanics behind Genesis 1:28 (theoretically, of course), the conception of Jesus was difficult for me to understand.

I had no doubts that God could have Mary conceive just by wanting it to happen, but it seemed a lot easier to just do things the old-fashioned way.

:praise:

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

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Is it also true, Pastor Levi, that Jesus Himself had a penis, testicles, and an anus? :o

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I always thought it was an Angel that came upon her and God must have just deposited the seed in the angel for it to do the job. Thanks for clearing that up.

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I've never really thought of Jesus in that way before now!! :o

Who would have been watching HIM go poopie?
I assume as he is free from sin, he doesn't need watching?

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LOL I always thought that verse meant that He just kind of barely stuck the tip in and dropped his load, but didn't actually penetrate, and that's why Mary was still a technical virgin.

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The thing is that they use the same verb (to come upon[ a variation of eperchomai) for the copulation of Leda and Zeus and Mary and the Holy Ghost.


Can you please quote the source where the verb is used in case of Leda and Zeus? How can you say that, i can't find it anywhere even in the libraries!::wacko::)

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Why do you think public libraries are going to carry books about smutty metaphysical filth like Leda and the swan? We're talking about the conception of Jesus here. Not some made up celestial porn act.

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I would dare to see Him uncovered; something similar didn’t turn out well for Ham (Genesis 9:20-27).

Some might say that Noah over-reacted, but it got me as well riled to no end when they caught me drunken, passed off and naked – before my Redemption, of course!

YiC

Dan

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Why on earth would you bring your ridiculous fairy tales into a serious theological discussion?

(1 Corinthians 13:11) "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

GROW UP!

:angry:

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

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Actually, he is making a big claim that :( God had sex with Mary to substantiate his claim , he gave the reference of the relevant greek word lada and swan. So he must have read it somewhere? I just can't take to this word, until he has a proof. The word is also used in acts chap 1:17-19 in which the ghost came upon the desciples, the same greek word G1909 is used here epichromai. From which greek book he learned about it, so that i can confirm it. I know what he is saying but i just want to make sure that he is correct. By the way, libraries contain all sorts of text! we are in America not Afghanistan.

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I found two instances of the verb used in the approach of Zeus to the white swan (Leda) for impregnating her. The paper I scribbled the references on got thrown out. My wife is a notorious neatener, cleaner. If it is important to have those, I can go back to the source. It will take a couple of days to get back into my copious sources I will have to pour through again.

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God having literal sex with Mary does not mean she is no longer a virgin. The Bible is not contradictory. See, God can have sex with a woman and she'll stay a virgin....because He's God and is omnipotent.

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I have always maintained that God took Mary by force. She was nothing but the oven He needed to bake Jesus in. God is a Manly man! :innocent:

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The redemptive qualities associated with God's son depend on His lineage:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

cf Ruth 3:9

Jesus was not created. In order for Mary to become pregnant something OTHER THAN a new creation was necessary. We are the new creation, not Jesus.

II Corinthians 5:17-21
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

That could not happen in accordance with God's Law (the Mosaic law) unless there was a sound genealogy. Read Matthew. Read Hebrews.

PSALM 17:8
LUKE 1:35

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He didn't say God had sex with Mary - he said God came upon Mary. No were does it suggest that the Creator of the Universe had a tumble with one of His creations.
Granted, but they don't have cheesy little porn stories about imaginary people having sex with animals and having unkillable superhuman children.

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ACTS 1
17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

It is not. Perhaps you are thinking of this passage?

ACTS 2
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

It's not used there either:

verse 2
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verse 4
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The words used here for

a) [mighty rushing] wind
b) [Holy] Ghost
c) [the] Spirit

do all have the same root, from which we get our word pneumatic.

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I've seen a lot of discussion on this very topic over the years. Was Jesus half-man and half God, or was he some kind of hybrid? Did Jesus imbibe a little of that wine He made at the Cana wedding, and what did Jesus do with His anus? Well, it wasn't really reported in the Bible (KJV1611) was it – and that's just the point; Jesus was all Savior PERIOD.

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Pastor Jones, Your analysis leaves me speechless. So thorough, so solid. Your easy brilliance and pure Godliness have moved me. On my knees before you and God, I ask you to Bless me in His name, and pray for the lives of my father and my former betrothed and the soul of my dutiful mother.

Bless you,
Annalita

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