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So please explain how you burn a web page.

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I'm a 19 year old confirmed christian in England. Ive played TF2 since it was released in about 2007. Personally I find some of the comments made by the more permanent members of this forum childish and innappropriate, especially the OPs general arguments.


Killing = yes, theres a lot of it in there.
Bad words = No swear words, but there are some curse words like p*ss and insults like "maggot".
God Bashing = No. There really isnt ANY god bashing in this game. Im genuinely shocked you would think this.
Anti-American Propaganda = Errr no. This game features three american characters the rest are from different nations like Scotland, France and Germany. These characters all get along (in their relevant teams, of course) and there is no signs of any cultural tension between any characters. If anything it would be pro-American.
Homosexuality = Wha? Where did you pick this up?

Seriously? You're looking way too into a simple thing, it's like me saying to a friend "see you tonight" and you thinking it as "oh he means he's going to have sex with her".

Okay, ignore my last comment, you are just foolish. There is a backstory to the friendship of these two characters and how their friendship is tested due to an evil character called "the announcer" who makes these two friends fight each other. This is a photograph of two friends. Or are we now not allowed to have two male friends celebrate together because its too "Homosexual"?

So patriotic American soldiers who die trying to protect their comrades and friends in Iraq are not considered worthy of being defined as a "real soldier" just because of sexual orientation?

Yeah... He wants to promote "the devil"... :sarcasm:

As a fellow christian Im surprised you dont even want to see if he can be "saved", as I would put it. Straight to hell, huh?

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REMEMBER HE DIED FOR YOUR SINS, NOT A WOMAN FOR A COMPUTER!!![/QUOTE]
What?

Hey Reverand, you sure you didnt mean to refer to BaseballMom67?

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Look, in general I'm quite disgusted with the way you jump to conclusions through assumptions and not really bother to read about the game first. You may not agree with some of the content of it, but that by no means allows you to start throwing in associations with other "sinful" aspects, like accusing it for homosexuality when, speaking as a player of Team Fortress 2 since it came out in 2007, it has literally no homosexual factors at all.

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That's a contradiction in terms. If you play TF2, then you're not a Christian, period. Obviously, you're not offended by the imagery that you CHOOSE to view:


Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

You're probably jaded from all the swearing and violence, but most people use euphemisms. For example, they don't say "Bartholomew and I have sex and do the oompa loompa" but something along the lines of "we will change sheets together".

If they weren't homersexual, then:

• They would be able to react faster because they wouldn't look in the mirror all the time to see if they still look "hot"
• Their comrades would be able to actually focus on their job instead of being afraid to sleep because their "comrade" might sodomize them in their sleep.

As an aside, the term "comrade" is used by communists. Do you see how subliminal messages in TF2 brainwash you into conflating good soldiers for the FREE world with soldiers of SATAN?

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2 Chronicles 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Matthew 5:45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:31, and Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

The Lord dwells in heaven, a place of thick darkness, but not even heaven shall last forever. However, the following verse is the one that should be reflected upon.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

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They took GOD and prayer out of the classroom. Satan and his minions took over and now we are left with a bunch of Satan-worshipping gametards who make bloody sacrifices to their Dark Lord.

Satan has a joystick for them. Oh, yes he does. :devil:

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One sin and I'm out, eh? In any case I gotta admit my faith has been tested a lot recently, Im moving more and more towards the belief in that a God does exist, and is a fair God to all. But in any case this isn't really about me. If you want let's say Im at least open to most religious beliefs, but certain things Im fascinated about and am willing to debate with them about. That shouldnt change the course of this discussion too much.


If this is a discussion, I'd appreciate not being insulted. You've been assuming the worst of every person taking a view opposite to yours and it's not the case 99% of the time. I am not "jaded from all the swearing and violence". I did a History course in propaganda, last year I wrote an essay on propaganda in films and just today I've began writing an essay on Propaganda in Michael Moore's films. So I am very well aware of propagadan and all that jazz, and I know when underlying messages are made to be passed onto the reader. I have also, you might want to know, had a very good education and am still in my second year of a well established University. But apparently I play video games, so I am a hillbilly yokel who doesn't know left and right. Is that it?


That is a hilariously biased and down right stupid thing to say. No offense, but that is seriously laughable. You assume all gay people are these flamboyant, giggly, flirtacious sex-drived maniacs which is down right disgusting an accusation to make on someone who has no choice in being able to change their sexuality. Have you ever even talked to a gay person in real life? Seriously?

Yeah.... Right. So in a war-torn situation of destruction and death you think that this is exactly the sort of place for a gay person to get 'turned on'? Bear in mind that soldiers spend months, if not years, together - training together, living together, watching out for each other. Its a close knit family. Not a "dive in and hope for some action" society. You say all gay people are sex drived loonies - and that is wrong in both factual and moral sense. They're still people, 'brother'.

Sending your daughter to ballet class? Better not, it was effectively founded by Russians.
Going to see a film tonight? Better not, Sergei Eisenstein, a pioneer in film editing and influenced effectively all directors in cinema to this very day, was working for the Bolsheviks.
Also don't use words like "Luna" or "comrade" because they are of Russian origin.
(See where Im going with this?)
Comrade is a word that has established itself in our dictionaries and is used to refer to someone of the same group. So what if it had Russian origins. It's now a word in our dictionaries meaning something else.

I would like to go into the argument on Marxism and the (surprising) desire to achieve 'world peace', despite going through the communist path, etc, but that is another topic in itself.

(Can I just say its quite lame when you give me negative rep for someone who is at least being polite enough to not blindly shout and insult everyone? It may not be to your same belief or taste, but cmon.)

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1 Kings 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Psalm 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.

Perhaps I misunderstand you, but much like the 2 Chronicles 6:1 passage from earlier, the Lord your God is the Dark Lord. This is of course only if you believe in the scripture of the KJB. If sacrifices are being offered unto God, he will forgive them their sins.

Numbers 15:24-28 Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one young bullock for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour unto the LORD, with his meat offering, and his drink offering, according to the manner, and one kid of the goats for a sin offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance: And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance. And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.

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Indeed. Unless you become washed of your sins by the Blood of Jesus, you will thrash around in boiling diarrhea and pus for all eternity in the lake of fire that has been prepared for satan, the demons, and souls in rebellion against their Creator.

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Fortunately the LORD, in His infinite benevolence, has left us instructions on how to conduct our lives and how to be made perfect in His Son, Jesus Christ. Indeed, as you start to rely on His Word for making day-to-day choices rather than your own fickle and vain thought processes, you will find that you cannot sin! Glory!

I John 3:6-9
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Salvation™ is available to everybody. All you have to do is accept the LORD's kind offer of redemption and obey His Word. If that is not fair to everybody, then I don't know what is. I'm glad to see you are coming around to see things our way.


You mistake our True Christian Love™ for insults because of your lack of discernment. You lack Christian discernment because of the distance you place between yourself and God. If you read and understood His Word, then you would understand that we scourge and chasten unsaved trash that they may realize the error of their ways and become True Christians™. We want you and all the rest of the unsaved trash that have been parading out their depravity on this thread to quit playing the Nintendos, quit listening to the Marilyn Manson, and join us in Heaven.

Hebrews 12:5-8
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

When we rebuke you, we do so out of our desire for you to be like us. This is exactly why you should stop trying to think for yourself and put your faith in the Words of the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) instead.

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

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Romans 3:20-23 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Galatians 3:11 That no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

I do not intend to tell you what to do, but you may wish to refrain from both anger towards others as well as insulting them.

Matthew 5:22 I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

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Those are glorious verses of Scripture indeed, but I hardly see how they are relevant to the discussion at hand. Perhaps you care to elaborate?

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Overall this seems to be an interesting conversation. Although I share Fuzileer's opinions, I may have been too blunt in expressing it-- hence my "Under Investigation" tag. Ergo, I'll restate my original comment that said something to the extent of "I'm perfectly willing to have a conversation without insults."

Might I ask why something being un-American would have anything to do with being Christian? If I"m not mistaken --which I'd certainly hope not-- the Bible was written down a few thousand years ago, and our country was only established 234 years ago.

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I think if Jesus had a medic gun he would choose the Kritzkrieg. He's not like all those other pansies trying to stand on the point all invincible-like. He wants to help people do some damage!!

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Hello there, I am new to this website so first of all I shall introduce my self, I am Reverend Philip Martin Samuel Dean, a reverend in Salford, United Kingdom and I was drawn to this website by a fellow member of the clergy. I have read over all of these posts and I must say what each side of the argument is saying is very unholy and not what Jesus would want us to say, we are supposed to be living together in perfect harmony and paying our respects to our brothers and I am almost appalled in what has been said to each other throughout this forum, insults, blasphemy, racist remarks and homophobia.

After flicking through these posts I took it upon myself to actually look at this game with my own two eyes, which I can presume is not what all of you have done. After watching my daughter's boyfriend play on it for half an hour, I came to a conclusion, this game is slightly gory and in bad taste ... that is all. I didn't come across any acts of homosexuality, racism or indeed 'God bashing' as you've so lightly put it. I think this is a huge misunderstanding and I believe that not even you fellow members of the church would seriously not jump the gun and insult members of the public, after all, its not what Jesus would want us to do, if video games were indeed wrong, wouldn't God or Jesus show us a sign.

Many Thanks x:innocent:

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Dear Reverend Dean:

Welcome to our holy church website.

Thank you for approaching us in a civil manner, even though you happen to disagree with us. For some reason this particular thread has attracted many unsavory, foul-mouthed God-mockers. I personally am almost at my wits end with them.

I hope you will remain with us to discuss blessed Scripture©, and to talk about The Lord™.

Our Guest Introduction Forum is here, where you may begin a thread about yourself away from this particular, heated "game" discussion.

I am sure we are all looking forward to getting to know a fellow Christian better :thumbsup:

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Thank you so much, I just fear that I will get mixed responses from threads I post in the future as I'd like to think that the church can appreciate my opinions. I may live 'across the pond' as they say but I have a deep love for our lord and have learnt about him from a different culture and different way :D

many blessings

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Pal, we are preaching the exact way Jesus did.

"DOGS" Matt. 7:6 Jesus said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs" (see also 2 Peter 2:20-22, Rev. 22:15)
"SWINE" Matt. 7:6 "...neither cast your pearls before swine"
"VIPERS" Matt. 3:7 "O generation of vipers..." (see also Matt. 12:34, 23:33 and Luke 3:7)
"HYPOCRITES" Matt.6:2 "...as the hypocrites in the synagogues..." (see also Matt.6:5, 16, 15:7, 16:3, 22:18, 23:13-15, 29, 24:51, Mark 7:6, Luke 11:44, 12:56)
"CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL" John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil..." (see also Acts 13:10)
"PERVERSE" Mat. 17:17"...O faithless and perverse generation" (see also Luke 9:41, Acts 20:30, Phil. 2:15, 1Tim. 6:5)
"REPROBATE" 2Cor 13:5-7 "...except ye be reprobates" (see also Rom 1:28, 2Tim. 3:8, Tit. 1:16)
"HEATHEN" Mat. 6:7 "...as the heathen do" (see also Mat.18:17, Act 4:25, 2Cor. 11:26, Gal. 1:16, 2:9, 3:8)
"FOOLS" Mat. 23:17 "...Ye fools and blind" (see also Luke 12:20, 1Cor.15:36, Mat.23:19, Luke 11:40, 24:25, Eph. 5:15)
"WICKED AND ADULTEROUS" Mat. 16:4 "A wicked and adulterous generation" (see also Mat. 12:45, 13:49, 18:32, 21:41, 25:26, Luke 19:22, 1Cor. 5:13, 2Thes. 3:2, 2Pet. 2:7, 3:17)
"O YE OF LITTLE FAITH" (Christ's favorite name for His apostles!) Mat.6:30, 8:26, 14:31, etc., etc., etc.
"STIFFNECKED AND UNCIRCUMCISED" Acts7:53 "...stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart"
"LIARS, EVIL BEASTS, SLOW BELLIES" Titus 1:12 (see also 2Peter 2:12, Jude 10)
"ADULTERERS AND ADULTERESSES" Hebrews 13:4 "...whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" James 4:4 "Ye adulterers and adulteresses..." (see also Rom 7:3, Mat. 12:39, 16:4, Mark 8:38)
"WHITED WALL" Acts 23:3 Paul to the high priest .


Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].

You should read this too. Jesus is impolite deal with it.

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If God had wanted you to live he would not have created ME!

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Is that supposed to be a threat, nancyboy? :glare:

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1. The fact that you put Anti-American in there, is an issue overall. Please read the book Radical. Stop trying to form Christianity around America.

2. I play this game from time to time and it's a great game. The developers of the game have a great sense of humor. What... are you a homophobe? The fact about the characters saying "I love this Doctor!" or "Get behind me Doctor!" is nothing more than commands to the Medic. It's called tactics... and thankfulness. I could have sworn I learned about compassion in Sunday school a few weeks ago.

3. Ok... The soldier's character is meant to portray the typical American.

To the rest of you nitwits, you should be ashamed of yourself. The fact you are teaching the teachings of Jesus in an unholy way is just bad. Let's ban someone from the forums and LET'S say he's going to hell. I'm sorry, in all seriousness you are being hypocrites. You're no more different from the TF2 Soldier's character. You are trying to play God yourself by saying "YOU ARE DESTINED TO GO TO HELL".

Ban me and "Say" I'm going to hell if you want to. I'm a Christian, and you people are giving the rest of us a bad name.

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Why no, what would give you that impression?