joe707 |
02-17-2009 11:34 PM |
Re: PROOF God is REAL!
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Of course not! Deduction cannot explain miracles. They are counterintuitive. But then, so is quantum physics. So is the study of Quantum mechanics useless merely because we cannot understand it? No, not as long as it leads to a greater understanding of GOD.
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I agree, it would be silly to disregard something just because it seemed counterintuitive. The paths of science and religion are both filled with great things, impossible things, mad things.
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Amen, something else IS badly need, friend. That something else is called Faith. Faith is how I know that the first two premises are true. They can't be proven any other way. Let that be a lesson to anyone who doubts the power of Faith.
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Yes, I’m glad you said that Pastor, but how do you discriminate faith from knowledge? Do they overlap? You can see faith coming from all sorts of odd places. I don’t think that makes it any real order of knowledge though.
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Not entirely. The Bible also serves as eyewitness testimony (it was written by men who directly observed miracles of God). Moreover, the Bible is filled with prophecy that has come true (e.g., the gathering of the Jews in Israel). There's the real test of faith--prove one Biblical prophecy wrong, and the entire Bible is false. I've yet to see anyone show a single prophecy that was wrong, though.
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Well scientists would say that the idea of a flat earth (which admittedly is not so much a prophecy) has now been shown to be false. Which it has, according to empirical, scientific method. So either you end up trying to prove otherwise as in the posts here - which is a tough ask - or maybe you have to go further, and declare that empirical science is not ultimate truth. I’d go with this, although the danger is you throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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However, the secular "scientists" are also using the wrong tools, because their methods and their axioms ignore the effect of the Will of God.
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Right, such a concept is anathema to scientific method. No purely physical science is able to work with such axioms. It is proving to be real sand in the ointment in this day and age. It irritates everyone, even Richard Dawkins.
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But you should understand that there is far more to our views than the argument from first cause.
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I do, I do.
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I believe we've got change coming, Joe.
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Hmm, Intriguing. Do say more. If I didn't know better, I'd say you were being quite the mystic!
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